I Hate To Say This But My Boy Joan Guzman Did Get Battered.

[amat]

I agree the commentary glossed over a lot of the defensive work Guzman did buuuuuut a draw is not out of the question. Look at the punchstats!

No but really, you could see Guzman was waaay effected by the injury to his nose that made him breathe through his mouth. I really don't think he fought that bad of a fight, he just didn't have the legs afterwards to keep moving and instead of limiting to Funeka to single jabs from the outside, he lingered around and got hit with more. It's to bad, he's a good fighter but I scored it (with the commentary) 9 rounds to 3, giving 1,2 and 7 to Guzman, same as HBO. For all I know, 11 and 12 could very well have been his which means if even one of those other rounds is even, that's a draw and a victory baby! Of course in this instance, draw and victory go together. Since there was no champion, the belt was vacant, therefore no fighter had to 'take the belt', it was kind of just lying there for both of them. When Guzman saw that he was losing the actual fight and literally getting beat up, he did the smart thing and won the boxing match instead. Great American tactic he surely picked up in New York. He closed out the last 15 seconds of rounds brilliantly, often times he smiled and winked at others in the crowd, it was quite a performance.

It was a pretty clear that Guzman won more rounds then it actually looked he won. He was also definitely more macho and fought the braver man's fight, which I think was good for a single round at least, which in addition to the 5 he won is a draw.

Clearer heads will prevail and we'll see it for ourselves one day. Good job both guys.

[miron_lang]

I agree the commentary glossed over a lot of the defensive work Guzman did buuuuuut a draw is not out of the question. Look at the punchstats!

No but really, you could see Guzman was waaay effected by the injury to his nose that made him breathe through his mouth. I really don't think he fought that bad of a fight, he just didn't have the legs afterwards to keep moving and instead of limiting to Funeka to single jabs from the outside, he lingered around and got hit with more. It's to bad, he's a good fighter but I scored it (with the commentary) 9 rounds to 3, giving 1,2 and 7 to Guzman, same as HBO. For all I know, 11 and 12 could very well have been his which means if even one of those other rounds is even, that's a draw and a victory baby! Of course in this instance, draw and victory go together. Since there was no champion, the belt was vacant, therefore no fighter had to 'take the belt', it was kind of just lying there for both of them. When Guzman saw that he was losing the actual fight and literally getting beat up, he did the smart thing and won the boxing match instead. Great American tactic he surely picked up in New York. He closed out the last 15 seconds of rounds brilliantly, often times he smiled and winked at others in the crowd, it was quite a performance.

It was a pretty clear that Guzman won more rounds then it actually looked he won. He was also definitely more macho and fought the braver man's fight, which I think was good for a single round at least, which in addition to the 5 he won is a draw.

Clearer heads will prevail and we'll see it for ourselves one day. Good job both guys.

You had it 9 rounds to 3. And you said 11 and 12 could be his. If you give that to him (w/c you didnt) that would still be Funeka 115-113.

now you said if another round is even. say 10-10. That would still be 115-114 Funeka

You've given him all the benefits and you still had him losing mate. Maybe Funeka was really robbed. Maybe my interpretaion of your post is wrong?

[amat]

I said he was the more macho man (or something to that extent) so that should get him at least 1 round extra on some judge's scorecards. So being modest, that would flip it around, giving Guzman a 115-114 (a very possible 116-115) decision. But other then that yeah. I had it 9-3, but 5 rounds to 4 with 3 even for either guy isn't a scorecard I could argue with. If I was watching the fight and then comparing my scorecard simultaneously, I'm not sure I could defend it. But as a scorecard itself, it's a really solid one.

[miron_lang]

I said he was the more macho man (or something to that extent) so that should get him at least 1 round extra on some judge's scorecards. So being modest, that would flip it around, giving Guzman a 115-114 (a very possible 116-115) decision. But other then that yeah. I had it 9-3, but 5 rounds to 4 with 3 even for either guy isn't a scorecard I could argue with. If I was watching the fight and then comparing my scorecard simultaneously, I'm not sure I could defend it. But as a scorecard itself, it's a really solid one.

I see.


I thought you said you have it 9 rounds to 3 for Funeka. All good mate.

[Fenster]

So that's amat, Ouma, Mar and Jimmy (when he watches it) that have it a draw/win for Guzman.

I told ya so.

The more that watch without the sound the more will come to the realisation that a draw was justified.

ICB? Please watch without the sound. A splendid judge like yourself WILL find it a draw (or maybe slight win for Guz). We await your verdict.

More and more it's coming to light that only PACHUGGERS have scored it against the Guzman. Fact.

[amat]

I hear the judge who scored against Guzman, the New Jersey one, was actually watching a stream of the fight live thus he didn't see Guzman actually avoid almost every punch. That guy is just tired of rooting for the Nets.

[Cleon]

Anyway ya want to add it
Guzman was owned
Round 8 could of been 10-8 for Funeka

[Fenster]

Anyway ya want to add it
Guzman was owned
Round 8 could of been 10-8 for Funeka

10-8 for tripping over his own feet giving off the false impression he was momentarily stunned?

You need to watch with the sound turned down for a truly enlightening experience about how you were conned by sound. Trust me.

[Violent Demise]

Anyway ya want to add it
Guzman was owned
Round 8 could of been 10-8 for Funeka

10-8 for tripping over his own feet giving off the false impression he was momentarily stunned?

You need to watch with the sound turned down for a truly enlightening experience about how you were conned by sound. Trust me.

I still had Funeka winning. But it was a lot closer. One or two round difference.

[Cleon]

Anyway ya want to add it
Guzman was owned
Round 8 could of been 10-8 for Funeka

10-8 for tripping over his own feet giving off the false impression he was momentarily stunned?

You need to watch with the sound turned down for a truly enlightening experience about how you were conned by sound. Trust me.

I've watched now without sound
Funeka hurt Guzman
Still had Funeka winning
Tried to be biased towards Guaman & give him everything conceivable
Still wasn't enough

[josef4334]

So that's amat, Ouma, Mar and Jimmy (when he watches it) that have it a draw/win for Guzman.

I told ya so.

The more that watch without the sound the more will come to the realisation that a draw was justified.

ICB? Please watch without the sound. A splendid judge like yourself WILL find it a draw (or maybe slight win for Guz). We await your verdict.

More and more it's coming to light that only PACHUGGERS have scored it against the Guzman. Fact.

i guess only pachuggers also saw guzman staggering across the ring huh? so if you guys are saying that guzman was the aggressor and should at least get a round just for that how did delahoya lose against floyd knowing that delahoya was the aggressor all night?

[Fenster]

So that's amat, Ouma, Mar and Jimmy (when he watches it) that have it a draw/win for Guzman.

I told ya so.

The more that watch without the sound the more will come to the realisation that a draw was justified.

ICB? Please watch without the sound. A splendid judge like yourself WILL find it a draw (or maybe slight win for Guz). We await your verdict.

More and more it's coming to light that only PACHUGGERS have scored it against the Guzman. Fact.

i guess only pachuggers also saw guzman staggering across the ring huh? so if you guys are saying that guzman was the aggressor and should at least get a round just for that how did delahoya lose against floyd knowing that delahoya was the aggressor all night?

We already established the stagger was due to a semi-trip. You are not aware of this because of your ears.

Guzman wasn't getting hit as much as the commentary or sound effects from your viewing box were fooling you into believing. Trust us.

Please rewatch the fight with the sound off. You will thank us for the sudden illumination.

[josef4334]

So that's amat, Ouma, Mar and Jimmy (when he watches it) that have it a draw/win for Guzman.

I told ya so.

The more that watch without the sound the more will come to the realisation that a draw was justified.

ICB? Please watch without the sound. A splendid judge like yourself WILL find it a draw (or maybe slight win for Guz). We await your verdict.

More and more it's coming to light that only PACHUGGERS have scored it against the Guzman. Fact.

i guess only pachuggers also saw guzman staggering across the ring huh? so if you guys are saying that guzman was the aggressor and should at least get a round just for that how did delahoya lose against floyd knowing that delahoya was the aggressor all night?

We already established the stagger was due to a semi-trip. You are not aware of this because of your ears.

Guzman wasn't getting hit as much as the commentary or sound effects from your viewing box were fooling you into believing. Trust us.

Please rewatch the fight with the sound off. You will thank us for the sudden illumination.

i do have a television not a radio. i dont listen to commentators especially on this fight because for once they were pro guzman. and i dont need to listen to their play by play to know whos winning the fight. anyway, you are telling me that guzmans cut, the blood on his shorts, the puffing of his eyes are caused by the commentary and sound effects? and when you say "we established the stagger was due to a semi-trip" who are the "we" you are referring to? what i saw was a punch that guzman didnt see coz he showboated a lot and almost sent him to lala land. if he got tripped as you say why did he lay on the ropes after and covered up?

[Fenster]

i guess only pachuggers also saw guzman staggering across the ring huh? so if you guys are saying that guzman was the aggressor and should at least get a round just for that how did delahoya lose against floyd knowing that delahoya was the aggressor all night?

We already established the stagger was due to a semi-trip. You are not aware of this because of your ears.

Guzman wasn't getting hit as much as the commentary or sound effects from your viewing box were fooling you into believing. Trust us.

Please rewatch the fight with the sound off. You will thank us for the sudden illumination.

i do have a television not a radio. i dont listen to commentators especially on this fight because for once they were pro guzman. and i dont need to listen to their play by play to know whos winning the fight. anyway, you are telling me that guzmans cut, the blood on his shorts, the puffing of his eyes are caused by the commentary and sound effects? and when you say "we established the stagger was due to a semi-trip" who are the "we" you are referring to? what i saw was a punch that guzman didnt see coz he showboated a lot and almost sent him to lala land. if he got tripped as you say why did he lay on the ropes after and covered up?

Guz tripped over his own feet, then played possum followed by some rope-a-dope.

That was plain as day man. Fact.

[miron_lang]

only PACHUGGERS have scored it against the Guzman. Fact.

Fine fine.

I had it 6 rounds a piece for the draw

Fighter A Dominates for 6 rounds. Fighter B clearly wins 2 rounds. Fighter A nick it by an inch but very close in the other 4 rounds but Its possible/justifiable to give those to fighter B.

Draw is justifiable