I Hate To Say This But My Boy Joan Guzman Did Get Battered.

[OumaFan]

It was a typical HBO hype job, another case of the guy who's active just for activity's sake getting the judges benefit of the doubt. BTW I will not be answering any specific questions about this fight like who were the announcers, which eleven rounds I had even, etc., etc. A waste of my precious time.

[Fenster]

It was a typical HBO hype job, another case of the guy who's active just for activity's sake getting the judges benefit of the doubt. BTW I will not be answering any specific questions about this fight like who were the announcers, which eleven rounds I had even, etc., etc. A waste of my precious time.

To be fair Guzman slaughtered Ali in rounds one and two. Your scorecard smells a bit of anti-Guz.

Come now Ouma, be fair, don't be trying to rob the Guz.

[josef4334]

So that's amat, Ouma, Mar and Jimmy (when he watches it) that have it a draw/win for Guzman.

I told ya so.

The more that watch without the sound the more will come to the realisation that a draw was justified.

ICB? Please watch without the sound. A splendid judge like yourself WILL find it a draw (or maybe slight win for Guz). We await your verdict.

More and more it's coming to light that only PACHUGGERS have scored it against the Guzman. Fact.

i guess only pachuggers also saw guzman staggering across the ring huh? so if you guys are saying that guzman was the aggressor and should at least get a round just for that how did delahoya lose against floyd knowing that delahoya was the aggressor all night?

[Fenster]

So that's amat, Ouma, Mar and Jimmy (when he watches it) that have it a draw/win for Guzman.

I told ya so.

The more that watch without the sound the more will come to the realisation that a draw was justified.

ICB? Please watch without the sound. A splendid judge like yourself WILL find it a draw (or maybe slight win for Guz). We await your verdict.

More and more it's coming to light that only PACHUGGERS have scored it against the Guzman. Fact.

i guess only pachuggers also saw guzman staggering across the ring huh? so if you guys are saying that guzman was the aggressor and should at least get a round just for that how did delahoya lose against floyd knowing that delahoya was the aggressor all night?

We already established the stagger was due to a semi-trip. You are not aware of this because of your ears.

Guzman wasn't getting hit as much as the commentary or sound effects from your viewing box were fooling you into believing. Trust us.

Please rewatch the fight with the sound off. You will thank us for the sudden illumination.

[josef4334]

So that's amat, Ouma, Mar and Jimmy (when he watches it) that have it a draw/win for Guzman.

I told ya so.

The more that watch without the sound the more will come to the realisation that a draw was justified.

ICB? Please watch without the sound. A splendid judge like yourself WILL find it a draw (or maybe slight win for Guz). We await your verdict.

More and more it's coming to light that only PACHUGGERS have scored it against the Guzman. Fact.

i guess only pachuggers also saw guzman staggering across the ring huh? so if you guys are saying that guzman was the aggressor and should at least get a round just for that how did delahoya lose against floyd knowing that delahoya was the aggressor all night?

We already established the stagger was due to a semi-trip. You are not aware of this because of your ears.

Guzman wasn't getting hit as much as the commentary or sound effects from your viewing box were fooling you into believing. Trust us.

Please rewatch the fight with the sound off. You will thank us for the sudden illumination.

i do have a television not a radio. i dont listen to commentators especially on this fight because for once they were pro guzman. and i dont need to listen to their play by play to know whos winning the fight. anyway, you are telling me that guzmans cut, the blood on his shorts, the puffing of his eyes are caused by the commentary and sound effects? and when you say "we established the stagger was due to a semi-trip" who are the "we" you are referring to? what i saw was a punch that guzman didnt see coz he showboated a lot and almost sent him to lala land. if he got tripped as you say why did he lay on the ropes after and covered up?

[Fenster]

i guess only pachuggers also saw guzman staggering across the ring huh? so if you guys are saying that guzman was the aggressor and should at least get a round just for that how did delahoya lose against floyd knowing that delahoya was the aggressor all night?

We already established the stagger was due to a semi-trip. You are not aware of this because of your ears.

Guzman wasn't getting hit as much as the commentary or sound effects from your viewing box were fooling you into believing. Trust us.

Please rewatch the fight with the sound off. You will thank us for the sudden illumination.

i do have a television not a radio. i dont listen to commentators especially on this fight because for once they were pro guzman. and i dont need to listen to their play by play to know whos winning the fight. anyway, you are telling me that guzmans cut, the blood on his shorts, the puffing of his eyes are caused by the commentary and sound effects? and when you say "we established the stagger was due to a semi-trip" who are the "we" you are referring to? what i saw was a punch that guzman didnt see coz he showboated a lot and almost sent him to lala land. if he got tripped as you say why did he lay on the ropes after and covered up?

Guz tripped over his own feet, then played possum followed by some rope-a-dope.

That was plain as day man. Fact.

[Myk_Myk]

...For all I know, 11 and 12 could very well have been his which means if even one of those other rounds is even, that's a draw and a victory baby!

For all you know? Glad you're not judging fights, or maybe you are... Exactly which other round do you think he took?

Of course in this instance, draw and victory go together. Since there was no champion, the belt was vacant, therefore no fighter had to 'take the belt', it was kind of just lying there for both of them.

No, a draw is a win for a champion, as he gets to keep his belt. Except a draw was a win for Guzman, because it was a gift for him.

When Guzman saw that he was losing the actual fight and literally getting beat up, he did the smart thing and won the boxing match instead. Great American tactic he surely picked up in New York. He closed out the last 15 seconds of rounds brilliantly, often times he smiled and winked at others in the crowd, it was quite a performance.

Really? He out boxed him?

It was a pretty clear that Guzman won more rounds then it actually looked he won.

Is this a Yogi Berra quote you dug up? Because that's hilarious!

He was also definitely more macho and fought the braver man's fight, which I think was good for a single round at least, which in addition to the 5 he won is a draw.

Yes, at the end of the fight the judges can, and really should, choose one round to reverse in favor of the more macho fighter.

Clearer heads will prevail and we'll see it for ourselves one day. Good job both guys.

I agree both guys did do a good job, and I think Guzman fought with a lot of heart and tried to the end. He still lost, though, and there really should be some sort of recourse for decisions like this.

I think I get it now. You and Fenster don't really believe the BS you're spouting. You're just trying to see how riled up you can get people.

[Spicoli]

Alright,alright.....I went back and hit the mute button.Wanting to be clean about it though...I covered the screen as well so as to not give me an unfair edge.Now all things considered and thinking myself a very fair minded fight fan....I still had Funeka clearly winning,even wider this time

[Cleon]

Anyway ya want to add it
Guzman was owned
Round 8 could of been 10-8 for Funeka

10-8 for tripping over his own feet giving off the false impression he was momentarily stunned?

You need to watch with the sound turned down for a truly enlightening experience about how you were conned by sound. Trust me.

I've watched now without sound
Funeka hurt Guzman
Still had Funeka winning
Tried to be biased towards Guaman & give him everything conceivable
Still wasn't enough

[miron_lang]

only PACHUGGERS have scored it against the Guzman. Fact.

Fine fine.

I had it 6 rounds a piece for the draw

Fighter A Dominates for 6 rounds. Fighter B clearly wins 2 rounds. Fighter A nick it by an inch but very close in the other 4 rounds but Its possible/justifiable to give those to fighter B.

Draw is justifiable

[Cleon]

Can ahomie clear this up for me-
Why would a Pachugger score it for Guzman
Pacs great-but has no relevance on this fight
The better man should have won the fight
-That was Funeka

[amat]

He was also definitely more macho and fought the braver man's fight, which I think was good for a single round at least, which in addition to the 5 he won is a draw.

Yes, at the end of the fight the judges can, and really should, choose one round to reverse in favor of the more macho fighter.

Nooooooow you get it

[miron_lang]

Can ahomie clear this up for me-
Why would a Pachugger score it for Guzman
Pacs great-but has no relevance on this fight
The better man should have won the fight
-That was Funeka

[JonnyFolds]

Guzman is clearly out of his fighting weight. Granted he coudln't finish other fighters before (or didn't want to). I had never seen him come into a fight with anything less than an 8 pack and ripped up muscles!

What I don't like about this fight is that what caused everything to change, as everyone is so willing to forget/overlook is the damn head butts and elbows!! Funeka stunk of foul play when he couldn't his him for the first couple rounds.

I really liked this fight like a bad horror flick. It made me sick to watch, but very entertaining. Joan will be back, but never a p4p great again. Funeka can take a body shot for sure, but he will never make p4p either.

[bobby beck]

I didnt know Funeka was that good!!!plus Joan was beaten by the size reach thing !!!! Ive never seen Valera but he has a tiger on his hands