Mundine thrown out of Green party!

[Greig]

I think Green's win may have made a fight with Hopkins impossible. Why would Hopkins want to fight a fit, strong guy and a very live underdog?

Similarly Dawson, why would he want to go near Green?

Unless we're underestimating how much exposure the Green/Jones fight got in the states. I know it screened as part of the Hopkins fight, but seriously how many viewers would that fight have got? Hopkins in a tune up against a bloke with 5 losses, hell the live gate was only 6000 in his home town...

I think the best Green will do out of this is a shot at maybe an alphabet title holder, which he'll probably win. Then he'll be in exactly the same position he was in in December 2007 when he 'retired' after beating Stipe Drews - except he'll be two years older.

I think if Green's camp starts negotiating for a fight with Dawson or Hopkins, those guys will make it untenable and demand ridiculous money. And the only way Green could offer that kind of money would be to bring them down under, which I don't think either of those guys would do...


Hard to believe, but I can actually see this win not doing Danny much good at all...

[OumaFan]

Some comedy gold in this thread Hopkins-Green in Las Vegas would draw some Bernard fans, LOL that's the definition of a not very big fight. And the chances of him going to Australia are slim and none.

[Violent Demise]

Some comedy gold in this thread Hopkins-Green in Las Vegas would draw some Bernard fans, LOL that's the definition of a not very big fight. And the chances of him going to Australia are slim and none.

"Whether Hopkins likes it or not Danny Green is now the man" That right there takes the prize.

[THE THIRD MAN]

Some comedy gold in this thread Hopkins-Green in Las Vegas would draw some Bernard fans, LOL that's the definition of a not very big fight. And the chances of him going to Australia are slim and none.

"Whether Hopkins likes it or not Danny Green is now the man" That right there takes the prize.

I knew i would get some bites with that, fantastic. it was actually a dig at Anthony Mundine whose nickname is 'The Man' (that went over everyones head it seems) Green has thrown a spanner in the works and no one really knows what to make of Green. I wanted to see Jones V Hopkins too, it won't happen now. I find it amusing that just a few months ago people were oh so impressed with Jones jr against Lacy? Now he gets KO'd in 1 round Green appears to get all the flak for doing it? Strange thoughts happening here, so just exactly what does Bernard Hopkins want to do? Hopkins would have a lot tougher fight with Danny Green than he did with Kelly Pavlik, i suspect many fighters will avoid Green like the plague in 2010.

[jamiebhoy]

Some comedy gold in this thread Hopkins-Green in Las Vegas would draw some Bernard fans, LOL that's the definition of a not very big fight. And the chances of him going to Australia are slim and none.

"Whether Hopkins likes it or not Danny Green is now the man" That right there takes the prize.

I knew i would get some bites with that, fantastic. it was actually a dig at Anthony Mundine whose nickname is 'The Man' (that went over everyones head it seems) Green has thrown a spanner in the works and no one really knows what to make of Green. I wanted to see Jones V Hopkins too, it won't happen now. I find it amusing that just a few months ago people were oh so impressed with Jones jr against Lacy? Now he gets KO'd in 1 round Green appears to get all the flak for doing it? Strange thoughts happening here, so just exactly what does Bernard Hopkins want to do? Hopkins would have a lot tougher fight with Danny Green than he did with Kelly Pavlik, i suspect many fighters will avoid Green like the plague in 2010.

Spot on mate, the same people that were saying green was shit before the fight now say he only one because it was in fact Jones who was shot, not its a case of he is so bad Hopkins wouldn't want him. The truth is a lot of people will not want any part of Green because he is so unknown, you just never know any more who might put a spanner in the works.

At the end of the day two guys accept a fight that's made and one will win (barring a draw obviously) sometimes a guy will come along and not read the script and piss on the parade.End of story, you can harp on about RJJ being a legend which may be true but he got sparked out , whether he was done,Green caught him out, Jones took him easy , whatever. Ask the question , who brings more to the table now, Green can call people out more convincingly by saying I got RJJ and you said I couldn't do it.

What can Roy say, oh Bernard let's do it for old times sake and forget my trip to Australia in Europe.

[p4pking]

Some comedy gold in this thread Hopkins-Green in Las Vegas would draw some Bernard fans, LOL that's the definition of a not very big fight. And the chances of him going to Australia are slim and none.

"Whether Hopkins likes it or not Danny Green is now the man" That right there takes the prize.

I knew i would get some bites with that, fantastic. it was actually a dig at Anthony Mundine whose nickname is 'The Man' (that went over everyones head it seems) Green has thrown a spanner in the works and no one really knows what to make of Green. I wanted to see Jones V Hopkins too, it won't happen now. I find it amusing that just a few months ago people were oh so impressed with Jones jr against Lacy? Now he gets KO'd in 1 round Green appears to get all the flak for doing it? Strange thoughts happening here, so just exactly what does Bernard Hopkins want to do? Hopkins would have a lot tougher fight with Danny Green than he did with Kelly Pavlik, i suspect many fighters will avoid Green like the plague in 2010.

Im not really sure your right there... Certainly a bit tougher, but realistically Green has about the same kind of arsenal that Pavlik does, and is a similar kind of fighter. Flat footed, need to be set to punch, and never has a plan B. Hopkins and Roy Jones at this point are just such different animals, there's almost nothing to take from Green winning in that fashion as far as Hopkins should be concered, at least imo. Sure it was an upset and fairly shocking at that, but Roy Jones has been violently knocked out twice before, and hadn't fought a live body his own size since then. Green has shown in the past he comes unglued and doesn't have a plan B when someone gets into a rythym, he can be outboxed quite easily. Unless you really think he's about to steamroll Hopkins like that in the first, I see almost no reason to get excited about his chances whatsoever. Hopkins outclasses him 99 times out of 100 imo.

[Greig]

Hopkins fights about 30 seconds a round these days, but he fights it that well that its enough to beat most people.

People point to the Pavlik fight... Well Pavlik had bronchitis and was fighting 10 pounds outside his ideal weight class. Pavlik had no energy, no snap in his punches. I'm not saying he would have beaten Hopkins if he was 100%, but he would have been a lot more competitive. So my point is people saying Hopkins is sensational because of that performance are somewhat delusional. I think he deserves credit for the Tarver performance, but the Winky Wright and Pavlik fights I think, well, he beat up on much smaller guys, one of whom had bronchitis. Apart from Tarver, he hasn't fought a genuine 175 pounder yet...

You want to see how to beat Hopkins? Look at Calzaghe - he beat hm with blinding hand speed and work rate. The way Hopkins was looking to the ref for a breather in that fight was disgraceful. Now, credit to Hopkins - it was still a close fight, but Joe won no question.

That's the way to beat him - make the 45 year old work his bollocks off. I think Green could do that. MORE IMPORTANTLY, Green is the bigger guy, bigger puncher, bigger risk. That's why you'll never see the fight.


I think Green is a beast at 175, his last fights at 168 against Beyer and Mundine, he was a weight drained shell.

[Greig]

And while I'm bagging Hopkins:-


De La Hoya
Trinidad
Winky
Pavlik
Calzaghe (yeah I know he lost)


Seems all B-Hops big fights have been against guys moving up. Apart from Tarver, when has he ever moved up and fought a guy much bigger than him?

Think all this heavyweight talk is bullshit myself

[p4pking]

Hopkins fights about 30 seconds a round these days, but he fights it that well that its enough to beat most people.

People point to the Pavlik fight... Well Pavlik had bronchitis and was fighting 10 pounds outside his ideal weight class. Pavlik had no energy, no snap in his punches. I'm not saying he would have beaten Hopkins if he was 100%, but he would have been a lot more competitive. So my point is people saying Hopkins is sensational because of that performance are somewhat delusional. I think he deserves credit for the Tarver performance, but the Winky Wright and Pavlik fights I think, well, he beat up on much smaller guys, one of whom had bronchitis. Apart from Tarver, he hasn't fought a genuine 175 pounder yet...

You want to see how to beat Hopkins? Look at Calzaghe - he beat hm with blinding hand speed and work rate. The way Hopkins was looking to the ref for a breather in that fight was disgraceful. Now, credit to Hopkins - it was still a close fight, but Joe won no question.

That's the way to beat him - make the 45 year old work his bollocks off. I think Green could do that. MORE IMPORTANTLY, Green is the bigger guy, bigger puncher, bigger risk. That's why you'll never see the fight.


I think Green is a beast at 175, his last fights at 168 against Beyer and Mundine, he was a weight drained shell.

It's hardly that simple. Calzaghe made Hopkins work more than anyone has ever done, as far as pressing the fight and taking him out of his comfort zone, and many(myself included) think it could have gone either way. Danny Green doesn't have half the modicum of skill, slickness, speed, basically anything Calzaghe has. He is a polar opposite stylstically, and yet you are trying to draw from the Calzaghe fight to explain how he could beat Hopkins? He is SLOW, he has to be set to punch, and he has been outboxed by guys who are nowhere near Hopkins level. If he rushes forward throwing punches like he did against Roy Hopkins is going to counter him hard and often, then Danny will get reluctant to engage, and come apart of the next 11 rounds. It's an incredibly easy fight to predict imo, Danny Green is not beating Hopkins.

[THE THIRD MAN]

"Whether Hopkins likes it or not Danny Green is now the man" That right there takes the prize.

I knew i would get some bites with that, fantastic. it was actually a dig at Anthony Mundine whose nickname is 'The Man' (that went over everyones head it seems) Green has thrown a spanner in the works and no one really knows what to make of Green. I wanted to see Jones V Hopkins too, it won't happen now. I find it amusing that just a few months ago people were oh so impressed with Jones jr against Lacy? Now he gets KO'd in 1 round Green appears to get all the flak for doing it? Strange thoughts happening here, so just exactly what does Bernard Hopkins want to do? Hopkins would have a lot tougher fight with Danny Green than he did with Kelly Pavlik, i suspect many fighters will avoid Green like the plague in 2010.

Im not really sure your right there... Certainly a bit tougher, but realistically Green has about the same kind of arsenal that Pavlik does, and is a similar kind of fighter. Flat footed, need to be set to punch, and never has a plan B. Hopkins and Roy Jones at this point are just such different animals, there's almost nothing to take from Green winning in that fashion as far as Hopkins should be concered, at least imo. Sure it was an upset and fairly shocking at that, but Roy Jones has been violently knocked out twice before, and hadn't fought a live body his own size since then. Green has shown in the past he comes unglued and doesn't have a plan B when someone gets into a rythym, he can be outboxed quite easily. Unless you really think he's about to steamroll Hopkins like that in the first, I see almost no reason to get excited about his chances whatsoever. Hopkins outclasses him 99 times out of 100 imo.

I agree, one of my criticisms of Green is he is or was a little wooden in his approach, almost predictable, Beyer out boxed him in the second fight with a masterful display of boxing and Green never had a plan B. From what i have seen of Green recently he has learned a lot from those defeats to Beyer and Mundine. I think Hopkins would find a way of beating him, it just might be a little more difficult than he thinks. Green is twice the fighter he was 3-4 years ago. We may never know and judging by some of the comments about Green on this thread, people are still afraid of the unknown!

[Violent Demise]

I knew i would get some bites with that, fantastic. it was actually a dig at Anthony Mundine whose nickname is 'The Man' (that went over everyones head it seems) Green has thrown a spanner in the works and no one really knows what to make of Green. I wanted to see Jones V Hopkins too, it won't happen now. I find it amusing that just a few months ago people were oh so impressed with Jones jr against Lacy? Now he gets KO'd in 1 round Green appears to get all the flak for doing it? Strange thoughts happening here, so just exactly what does Bernard Hopkins want to do? Hopkins would have a lot tougher fight with Danny Green than he did with Kelly Pavlik, i suspect many fighters will avoid Green like the plague in 2010.

Im not really sure your right there... Certainly a bit tougher, but realistically Green has about the same kind of arsenal that Pavlik does, and is a similar kind of fighter. Flat footed, need to be set to punch, and never has a plan B. Hopkins and Roy Jones at this point are just such different animals, there's almost nothing to take from Green winning in that fashion as far as Hopkins should be concered, at least imo. Sure it was an upset and fairly shocking at that, but Roy Jones has been violently knocked out twice before, and hadn't fought a live body his own size since then. Green has shown in the past he comes unglued and doesn't have a plan B when someone gets into a rythym, he can be outboxed quite easily. Unless you really think he's about to steamroll Hopkins like that in the first, I see almost no reason to get excited about his chances whatsoever. Hopkins outclasses him 99 times out of 100 imo.

I agree, one of my criticisms of Green is he is or was a little wooden in his approach, almost predictable, Beyer out boxed him in the second fight with a masterful display of boxing and Green never had a plan B. From what i have seen of Green recently he has learned a lot from those defeats to Beyer and Mundine. I think Hopkins would find a way of beating him, it just might be a little more difficult than he thinks. Green is twice the fighter he was 3-4 years ago. We may never know and judging by some of the comments about Green on this thread, people are still afraid of the unknown!

What unknown? I seen over 15 of Danny Green fights. It's not hard to see what to expect. He's a stronger fighter with a big punch. Not more. The fact that a shot Roy Jones is his biggest win say it all. It's unacceptable for a fighter 2 lose to both Anthony Mundine and Markus Beyer and think he's a good fighter. Maybe a lose to one can be excused. But to lose to both is unacceptable.

[Themantonio]

I think Green's win may have made a fight with Hopkins impossible. Why would Hopkins want to fight a fit, strong guy and a very live underdog?

Similarly Dawson, why would he want to go near Green?

Unless we're underestimating how much exposure the Green/Jones fight got in the states. I know it screened as part of the Hopkins fight, but seriously how many viewers would that fight have got? Hopkins in a tune up against a bloke with 5 losses, hell the live gate was only 6000 in his home town...

I think the best Green will do out of this is a shot at maybe an alphabet title holder, which he'll probably win. Then he'll be in exactly the same position he was in in December 2007 when he 'retired' after beating Stipe Drews - except he'll be two years older.

I think if Green's camp starts negotiating for a fight with Dawson or Hopkins, those guys will make it untenable and demand ridiculous money. And the only way Green could offer that kind of money would be to bring them down under, which I don't think either of those guys would do...


Hard to believe, but I can actually see this win not doing Danny much good at all...

This is pretty much the point I was getting at when I started a thread yesterday "what next for Danny Green".

I agree with you, his best bet is to go for one of the alphabet titleholders in the cuiserweight division coz I don't think B-Hop or Dawson will look at Green as a potential matchup for themselves.

[Kev]

I think Green's win may have made a fight with Hopkins impossible. Why would Hopkins want to fight a fit, strong guy and a very live underdog?

Similarly Dawson, why would he want to go near Green?

Unless we're underestimating how much exposure the Green/Jones fight got in the states. I know it screened as part of the Hopkins fight, but seriously how many viewers would that fight have got? Hopkins in a tune up against a bloke with 5 losses, hell the live gate was only 6000 in his home town...

I think the best Green will do out of this is a shot at maybe an alphabet title holder, which he'll probably win. Then he'll be in exactly the same position he was in in December 2007 when he 'retired' after beating Stipe Drews - except he'll be two years older.

I think if Green's camp starts negotiating for a fight with Dawson or Hopkins, those guys will make it untenable and demand ridiculous money. And the only way Green could offer that kind of money would be to bring them down under, which I don't think either of those guys would do...


Hard to believe, but I can actually see this win not doing Danny much good at all...

Actually whether US fans watched the fight is completely irrelevent. Fans don't need to have seen or even heard of a fighter before for him to attract their interest.

How many British fight fans do you think had ever watched a Jeff Lacy, Mikkell Kessler or Kosta Tyszu fight before they came over to the UK to fight one of our boys? Probably less than 10 percent but they were ecstatic about seeing the fights because of the reputations these guys had.

Same with David Haye fighting Nikolay Valuev. Nobody in the UK had ever seen Valuev fight (if they had they wouldn't have bought the PPV!) but it was still a huge fight over here even though it took place in Germany.

Danny Green KO'd the great Roy Jones in 1 round. That will guarantee him huge exposure from now on.

Danny Williams, one of our very mediocre heavyweights got an unlikely an immediate world title shot against Vitali Klitschko no less because he knocked out a shot Mike Tyson.

As I said before, you beat a legend you become noticed and people will want to fight you.

Hopkins obviously only wants to fight an old legend rather than a real live opponent, but Green has now become a very attractive name for any ambitious light heavyweight or cruiser.

He will be a big draw for the next couple fights at least and will probably fight for a world title, or against a big marquee opponent next time out, and may well have the draw power to bring them them to Oz.