Bute Now Ranked #1 in the World

[HattonTheHammer]

ridiculous

kessler, froch, abraham, ward and dirrell all beat bute on their day

What stinks is that we wont truly now how good bute is for another couple of years having to wait for the super6 to reach its conclusion.

2 sets of matches, plus semis and a grand final means that bute may not get a shot at froch or abraham for another 2 and a half years with by then both probably deciding to call it a day anyway

[Rantcatrat]

Ward beat Kessler who supposedly was the man in the division, but really what has Kessler done? I like Kessler and think he should destroy Froch, but his loss to Calzaghe for some reason made him famous. Don't forget Kessler's best wins were Mundine and Andrade. Bute's wins over Bika and Andrade (twice and once by knockout, being the first to stop him) are just as good in terms of the level of fighter (Mundine won't get near a ring with Bika). Moreover, Bute has beat two top ten super middleweights - Ward and Kessler have each only beat one.

And Ward? Kessler had a better resume than Ward going into the fight. Ward has beat Kessler and Miranda, but other than that he has beat NO ONE of note. Bute has a much better all-around resume than Ward.

Now, I dislike the guy a lot for his pompous attitude, but Froch may have the best resume at SMW with wins over the current lhw champion, Pascal, former middleweight champion, Taylor, and former Olympian, Dirrell.

Based on Resume alone, not taking into account potential ability, the list should probably look like:

1. Froch
2. Bute
3. Ward
4. Kessler
5. Abraham
6. Bika

Oh, and Bute would absolutely destroy Froch. I'd favor him in a fight with anyone on that list other than maybe Ward unless the fight was in Montreal and Marlon was reffing.

[HattonTheHammer]

Ward beat Kessler who supposedly was the man in the division, but really what has Kessler done? I like Kessler and think he should destroy Froch, but his loss to Calzaghe for some reason made him famous. Don't forget Kessler's best wins were Mundine and Andrade. Bute's wins over Bika and Andrade (twice and once by knockout, being the first to stop him) are just as good in terms of the level of fighter (Mundine won't get near a ring with Bika). Moreover, Bute has beat two top ten super middleweights - Ward and Kessler have each only beat one.

And Ward? Kessler had a better resume than Ward going into the fight. Ward has beat Kessler and Miranda, but other than that he has beat NO ONE of note. Bute has a much better all-around resume than Ward.

Now, I dislike the guy a lot for his pompous attitude, but Froch may have the best resume at SMW with wins over the current lhw champion, Pascal, former middleweight champion, Taylor, and former Olympian, Dirrell.

Based on Resume alone, not taking into account potential ability, the list should probably look like:

1. Froch
2. Bute
3. Ward
4. Kessler
5. Abraham
6. Bika

Oh, and Bute would absolutely destroy Froch. I'd favor him in a fight with anyone on that list other than maybe Ward unless the fight was in Montreal and Marlon was reffing.

Never

Dirrell beats ward if they ever fight...froch would just own the pair of them!

[Nameless]

ridiculous

kessler, froch, abraham, ward and dirrell all beat bute on their day

What stinks is that we wont truly now how good bute is for another couple of years having to wait for the super6 to reach its conclusion.

2 sets of matches, plus semis and a grand final means that bute may not get a shot at froch or abraham for another 2 and a half years with by then both probably deciding to call it a day anyway

I think that you never have seen Bute fight properly to imagine that Froch, Kessler, Abraham, Ward and Dirrell all beat him single handed. He's way stronger physically than Dirrell and as fast if not faster plus he's an evil southpaw, Froch is not fast enough to have a real chance against him. KEssler... well, I want to see how he bounces back before making any predictions but now I think Bute could get him too. Abraham is a brick of wall but doesn't move much, which could give lucian some good shots at him (not saying he,ll beat him but he has the potential to). WArd is very fast and seems on a mission, that would be at this very moment the hardest pick but still, even if Ward would won, I don't think it would be a sole pleasure thing.

[ICB]

Ward beat Kessler who supposedly was the man in the division, but really what has Kessler done? I like Kessler and think he should destroy Froch, but his loss to Calzaghe for some reason made him famous. Don't forget Kessler's best wins were Mundine and Andrade. Bute's wins over Bika and Andrade (twice and once by knockout, being the first to stop him) are just as good in terms of the level of fighter (Mundine won't get near a ring with Bika). Moreover, Bute has beat two top ten super middleweights - Ward and Kessler have each only beat one.

And Ward? Kessler had a better resume than Ward going into the fight. Ward has beat Kessler and Miranda, but other than that he has beat NO ONE of note. Bute has a much better all-around resume than Ward.

Now, I dislike the guy a lot for his pompous attitude, but Froch may have the best resume at SMW with wins over the current lhw champion, Pascal, former middleweight champion, Taylor, and former Olympian, Dirrell.

Based on Resume alone, not taking into account potential ability, the list should probably look like:

1. Froch
2. Bute
3. Ward
4. Kessler
5. Abraham
6. Bika

Oh, and Bute would absolutely destroy Froch. I'd favor him in a fight with anyone on that list other than maybe Ward unless the fight was in Montreal and Marlon was reffing.

Never

Dirrell beats ward if they ever fight...froch would just own the pair of them!

I don't think so Carl Froch was hurt by Andre Dirrell, Jermain Taylor. Both only noted as modest punchers, Lucian Bute hits much harder and would lay Carl Froch out, his defense is absolute garbage.

Carl Froch in his last 3 fights has been lucky, he just about won vs Jean Pascal. Scored a miracle come from behind KO against a fighter thats like Zab Judah, he can fight well for 1 half of a fight.

Then tires late on and always has, he even got tired late in the slowest paced Middleweight fight in history vs Bernard Hopkins. And was gifted a decision against Andre Dirrell that he certainly lost, i have no idea why your so high on Carl Froch. Im English but lets just face facts, he will lose in the very near future.

He reminds me of Junior Witter, always calling out Joe Calzaghe despite hardly doing shit. I admit he's achieved more but its no different IMO.

[Lance Uppercut]

Lol!!! Is Bute promoted by Golden Boy promotions?

Nope. Interbox.

That is true but if you want to play conspiracy theorist, Bute is the only elite Super-Middle not tied to Showtime for the next two years. Goldenboy has an out put deal with HBO for the next two years. And Goldenboy promoted the Bute vs Andrede(because they won the pure bid).

So Bute is the only elite supermiddle that Goldenboy has any conection to.

[HattonTheHammer]

Ward beat Kessler who supposedly was the man in the division, but really what has Kessler done? I like Kessler and think he should destroy Froch, but his loss to Calzaghe for some reason made him famous. Don't forget Kessler's best wins were Mundine and Andrade. Bute's wins over Bika and Andrade (twice and once by knockout, being the first to stop him) are just as good in terms of the level of fighter (Mundine won't get near a ring with Bika). Moreover, Bute has beat two top ten super middleweights - Ward and Kessler have each only beat one.

And Ward? Kessler had a better resume than Ward going into the fight. Ward has beat Kessler and Miranda, but other than that he has beat NO ONE of note. Bute has a much better all-around resume than Ward.

Now, I dislike the guy a lot for his pompous attitude, but Froch may have the best resume at SMW with wins over the current lhw champion, Pascal, former middleweight champion, Taylor, and former Olympian, Dirrell.

Based on Resume alone, not taking into account potential ability, the list should probably look like:

1. Froch
2. Bute
3. Ward
4. Kessler
5. Abraham
6. Bika

Oh, and Bute would absolutely destroy Froch. I'd favor him in a fight with anyone on that list other than maybe Ward unless the fight was in Montreal and Marlon was reffing.

Never

Dirrell beats ward if they ever fight...froch would just own the pair of them!

I don't think so Carl Froch was hurt by Andre Dirrell, Jermain Taylor. Both only noted as modest punchers, Lucian Bute hits much harder and would lay Carl Froch out, his defense is absolute garbage.

Carl Froch in his last 3 fights has been lucky, he just about won vs Jean Pascal. Scored a miracle come from behind KO against a fighter thats like Zab Judah, he can fight well for 1 half of a fight.

Then tires late on and always has, he even got tired late in the slowest paced Middleweight fight in history vs Bernard Hopkins. And was gifted a decision against Andre Dirrell that he certainly lost, i have no idea why your so high on Carl Froch. Im English but lets just face facts, he will lose in the very near future.

He reminds me of Junior Witter, always calling out Joe Calzaghe despite hardly doing shit. I admit he's achieved more but its no different IMO.

Joe calzaghe was hurt by sharmba mitchell..dawson was hurt by adamek

Dont mean they still arent great fighters. Ive seen more than enough of bute to suggest he`s a poor mans abraham and would get laid out the second he got in with quality opposition

[Nameless]

Lol!!! Is Bute promoted by Golden Boy promotions?

Nope. Interbox.

That is true but if you want to play conspiracy theorist, Bute is the only elite Super-Middle not tied to Showtime for the next two years. Goldenboy has an out put deal with HBO for the next two years. And Goldenboy promoted the Bute vs Andrede(because they won the pure bid).

So Bute is the only elite supermiddle that Goldenboy has any conection to.

They Co-promoted the first fight if I am correct and the second one was promoted by Interbox mainly. They were here because only because they Promote Andrade. Also, Bute has an exclusive contract with iNterbox for the 2 years to come. Perhaps Golden BOy would have interest in him, that I can't say, but for the moment, they have no grasp over him whatsoever

[Tysonbruno]

Never

Dirrell beats ward if they ever fight...froch would just own the pair of them!

I don't think so Carl Froch was hurt by Andre Dirrell, Jermain Taylor. Both only noted as modest punchers, Lucian Bute hits much harder and would lay Carl Froch out, his defense is absolute garbage.

Carl Froch in his last 3 fights has been lucky, he just about won vs Jean Pascal. Scored a miracle come from behind KO against a fighter thats like Zab Judah, he can fight well for 1 half of a fight.

Then tires late on and always has, he even got tired late in the slowest paced Middleweight fight in history vs Bernard Hopkins. And was gifted a decision against Andre Dirrell that he certainly lost, i have no idea why your so high on Carl Froch. Im English but lets just face facts, he will lose in the very near future.

He reminds me of Junior Witter, always calling out Joe Calzaghe despite hardly doing shit. I admit he's achieved more but its no different IMO.

Joe calzaghe was hurt by sharmba mitchell..dawson was hurt by adamek

Dont mean they still arent great fighters. Ive seen more than enough of bute to suggest he`s a poor mans abraham and would get laid out the second he got in with quality opposition

Byron Mitchell mate lol

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

Froch has some decent wins under his belt and a world title. Not for long... Mark my words. He will lose to Kessler and Abraham. Kessler will regain his belt after boxing the taste out out of Frochs mouth. I've just never thought Froch was that good.

[skel1983]

Never

Dirrell beats ward if they ever fight...froch would just own the pair of them!

I don't think so Carl Froch was hurt by Andre Dirrell, Jermain Taylor. Both only noted as modest punchers, Lucian Bute hits much harder and would lay Carl Froch out, his defense is absolute garbage.

Carl Froch in his last 3 fights has been lucky, he just about won vs Jean Pascal. Scored a miracle come from behind KO against a fighter thats like Zab Judah, he can fight well for 1 half of a fight.

Then tires late on and always has, he even got tired late in the slowest paced Middleweight fight in history vs Bernard Hopkins. And was gifted a decision against Andre Dirrell that he certainly lost, i have no idea why your so high on Carl Froch. Im English but lets just face facts, he will lose in the very near future.

He reminds me of Junior Witter, always calling out Joe Calzaghe despite hardly doing shit. I admit he's achieved more but its no different IMO.

Joe calzaghe was hurt by sharmba mitchell..dawson was hurt by adamek

Dont mean they still arent great fighters. Ive seen more than enough of bute to suggest he`s a poor mans abraham and would get laid out the second he got in with quality opposition

Poor mans Abraham I dont understand what you mean there mate he fights nothing like Abraham, Bute and Ward are all wrong for Froch they would make him look bad imo.

[OumaFan]

I've decided to hate Bute. Him and Sergio Martinez, both Kltichko's and Froch.

^^That's racist.

[Kev]

By the way it should be as follows.

1. Andre Ward, no question he's number one, he beat the man he HAS to be top dog according to the Rings own ranking system

2. Carl Froch, Ok his last win was lucky but he's beaten three excellent fighters in a row in Jean Pascal, Jermain Taylor and Andre Dirrell. Pascal is a current world champ, Taylor a former undisputed, can someone point me to all the current world champs Bute has beaten? I think 0.

3. Lucian Bute, this is where he rightly belongs

4. Mikkel Kessler, disappointing loss to Ward, hope he can bounce back.

5. Artur Abraham, gatecrashed the division in style with his ko of Jermain Taylor last time out.

Berrio is the only one i can think of that Bute has beat.

He's beaten Kabary Salem the man who dropepd Joe Calzaghe heavily, Lucian Bute is the only one to have ever stopped him. Sakio Bika a fighter who gave Joe Calzaghe all he could handle.

Lucian Bute also beat Sakio Bika easier than anyone else has. Lolenga Mock a fighter who dropped David Haye at Cruiserweight, Donny McCrary, Dingaan Thobela, Alejandro Berrio, William Joppy, Librado Andrade x2, Fulgencio Zuniga.

He's beaten some solid opposition, not the greatest but thats not a bad list at all. Im not saying he deserves the number 1 spot, but he has some underrated wins.

As for Bilbo hold on a minute, wern't you the one agreeing with me before that Lucian Bute did indeed beat the Librado Andrade legitmately ?

This was posted by you Bilbo, i can't find your other comments. But i know you agreed with me, i think its just because people are jumping on the Lucian Bute bandwagon, like with Nonito Donaire that you don't like that fighters get overrated so quickly. But people like me have known about Lucian Bute for ages, i can show you a thread from ages ago before the Alejandro Berrio fight.

Bilbo

I agree with you pretty much Ice. It would have been a robbery just to wave Bute off and call of the fight after he had it completely in the bag like that.

Andrade left his assualt too late imo. He should have got busy earlier and as for the long count, I guess if Andrade had been in the nuetral corner where he was supposed to be the ref wouldn't have sent him back there.

It may have been a bit pedantic from the ref but you can clearly see how when he's giving Bute the count he catches sight of Andrade in his peripheral vision and tells him to go back.

It may have been over the top but if he thought Andrade was making his way to the center of the ring he had to stop him.

And it's easy for us to judge but in the heat of the moment it all happens so fast and the ref isn't a machine incapable of making mistakes.

Yep and I still agree with you regarding Bute winning the fight. I have no problem that he won that fight.

It still doesn't take away the fact that he was within seconds of being knocked out and was completely saved by the bell however. That's why he had to rematch Andrade, because he came so close to being sparked unconcious the first time around!

It's insane to have a guy rated at number 1, who was virtually ko'd by a guy who the previous number 1 dominated for 12 rounds with ease.

Yes he won the rematch impressively but when has Carl Froch, for all his limitations ever looked as bad as Bute did in that 12th round?

Wins over Jermain Taylor, Andre Dirrell and Jean Pascal eclipse any win in Lucian Bute's career.

I find it somewhat laughable that you are trying to big up his wins over Kabery Salem and Sakio Bika when you would criticise Calzaghe for even fighting such soft opposition.

Sure he didn't get floored by Salem like Calzaghe did, but Calzaghe was never left floundering in the corner at the end of the 12th round of a fight, completely out on his feet and only saved by an extra long count was he?

[CFH]

Never

Dirrell beats ward if they ever fight...froch would just own the pair of them!

I don't think so Carl Froch was hurt by Andre Dirrell, Jermain Taylor. Both only noted as modest punchers, Lucian Bute hits much harder and would lay Carl Froch out, his defense is absolute garbage.

Carl Froch in his last 3 fights has been lucky, he just about won vs Jean Pascal. Scored a miracle come from behind KO against a fighter thats like Zab Judah, he can fight well for 1 half of a fight.

Then tires late on and always has, he even got tired late in the slowest paced Middleweight fight in history vs Bernard Hopkins. And was gifted a decision against Andre Dirrell that he certainly lost, i have no idea why your so high on Carl Froch. Im English but lets just face facts, he will lose in the very near future.

He reminds me of Junior Witter, always calling out Joe Calzaghe despite hardly doing shit. I admit he's achieved more but its no different IMO.

Joe calzaghe was hurt by sharmba mitchell..dawson was hurt by adamek

Dont mean they still arent great fighters. Ive seen more than enough of bute to suggest he`s a poor mans abraham and would get laid out the second he got in with quality opposition

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

Hattonthehammer... First of all, please explain your "Poor man's Abraham" comment so I can tear it apart. Second, please explain how Dirrell would beat Ward and how Froch could deal with Ward's superior boxing ability. Ward is a great in-fighter and would make it an ugly fight... Dirrell ran from Froch. Ward would slap Froch around..> Sorry, the more I read your comments the more I think you have no idea what the hell you're talking about. Ward dispatched Kessler with surprising ease.