Mundine thrown out of Green party!

[Violent Demise]

I knew i would get some bites with that, fantastic. it was actually a dig at Anthony Mundine whose nickname is 'The Man' (that went over everyones head it seems) Green has thrown a spanner in the works and no one really knows what to make of Green. I wanted to see Jones V Hopkins too, it won't happen now. I find it amusing that just a few months ago people were oh so impressed with Jones jr against Lacy? Now he gets KO'd in 1 round Green appears to get all the flak for doing it? Strange thoughts happening here, so just exactly what does Bernard Hopkins want to do? Hopkins would have a lot tougher fight with Danny Green than he did with Kelly Pavlik, i suspect many fighters will avoid Green like the plague in 2010.

Im not really sure your right there... Certainly a bit tougher, but realistically Green has about the same kind of arsenal that Pavlik does, and is a similar kind of fighter. Flat footed, need to be set to punch, and never has a plan B. Hopkins and Roy Jones at this point are just such different animals, there's almost nothing to take from Green winning in that fashion as far as Hopkins should be concered, at least imo. Sure it was an upset and fairly shocking at that, but Roy Jones has been violently knocked out twice before, and hadn't fought a live body his own size since then. Green has shown in the past he comes unglued and doesn't have a plan B when someone gets into a rythym, he can be outboxed quite easily. Unless you really think he's about to steamroll Hopkins like that in the first, I see almost no reason to get excited about his chances whatsoever. Hopkins outclasses him 99 times out of 100 imo.

I agree, one of my criticisms of Green is he is or was a little wooden in his approach, almost predictable, Beyer out boxed him in the second fight with a masterful display of boxing and Green never had a plan B. From what i have seen of Green recently he has learned a lot from those defeats to Beyer and Mundine. I think Hopkins would find a way of beating him, it just might be a little more difficult than he thinks. Green is twice the fighter he was 3-4 years ago. We may never know and judging by some of the comments about Green on this thread, people are still afraid of the unknown!

What unknown? I seen over 15 of Danny Green fights. It's not hard to see what to expect. He's a stronger fighter with a big punch. Not more. The fact that a shot Roy Jones is his biggest win say it all. It's unacceptable for a fighter 2 lose to both Anthony Mundine and Markus Beyer and think he's a good fighter. Maybe a lose to one can be excused. But to lose to both is unacceptable.

[OumaFan]

I never said Green was crap personally and I've been saying Roy was shot to pieces for a while, I was happy that Green got the win.

But its just not a serious option for Bernard I don't think. Hopkins-Green is not a Las Vegas fight, and why would he go to Australia? Green is too dangerous for a tuneup Ornelas type fight (let me say I don't think he's that dangerous to Hopkins but he's not a tune up), it would have to be a big money fight and is it really? Definitely not in Vegas. And its not really a legacy fight either although lets face it money is first here.

Bernard might retire. Either that or Adamek.

Edit-Bernard did look a bit off the other night and got hit with some decent shots, a Green win isn't totally out of the question but he's a bit made for Bernard really. Chad Dawson would beat Bernard.

[Andre]

Im not really sure your right there... Certainly a bit tougher, but realistically Green has about the same kind of arsenal that Pavlik does, and is a similar kind of fighter. Flat footed, need to be set to punch, and never has a plan B. Hopkins and Roy Jones at this point are just such different animals, there's almost nothing to take from Green winning in that fashion as far as Hopkins should be concered, at least imo. Sure it was an upset and fairly shocking at that, but Roy Jones has been violently knocked out twice before, and hadn't fought a live body his own size since then. Green has shown in the past he comes unglued and doesn't have a plan B when someone gets into a rythym, he can be outboxed quite easily. Unless you really think he's about to steamroll Hopkins like that in the first, I see almost no reason to get excited about his chances whatsoever. Hopkins outclasses him 99 times out of 100 imo.

I agree, one of my criticisms of Green is he is or was a little wooden in his approach, almost predictable, Beyer out boxed him in the second fight with a masterful display of boxing and Green never had a plan B. From what i have seen of Green recently he has learned a lot from those defeats to Beyer and Mundine. I think Hopkins would find a way of beating him, it just might be a little more difficult than he thinks. Green is twice the fighter he was 3-4 years ago. We may never know and judging by some of the comments about Green on this thread, people are still afraid of the unknown!

What unknown? I seen over 15 of Danny Green fights. It's not hard to see what to expect. He's a stronger fighter with a big punch. Not more. The fact that a shot Roy Jones is his biggest win say it all. It's unacceptable for a fighter 2 lose to both Anthony Mundine and Markus Beyer and think he's a good fighter. Maybe a lose to one can be excused. But to lose to both is unacceptable.

True and its a reflection of the state of Australian boxing when everyones hopes gets pinned on a fighter such as the case with Danny Green now.

The crowds of general public in the venue and in all pubs watching all over Aust shows how hungry all the normal punters are for a Champion to rise.

Boxing is far from dead here but many dudes are under some false illusion as to what is great and what isnt.

[jamiebhoy]

I agree, one of my criticisms of Green is he is or was a little wooden in his approach, almost predictable, Beyer out boxed him in the second fight with a masterful display of boxing and Green never had a plan B. From what i have seen of Green recently he has learned a lot from those defeats to Beyer and Mundine. I think Hopkins would find a way of beating him, it just might be a little more difficult than he thinks. Green is twice the fighter he was 3-4 years ago. We may never know and judging by some of the comments about Green on this thread, people are still afraid of the unknown!

What unknown? I seen over 15 of Danny Green fights. It's not hard to see what to expect. He's a stronger fighter with a big punch. Not more. The fact that a shot Roy Jones is his biggest win say it all. It's unacceptable for a fighter 2 lose to both Anthony Mundine and Markus Beyer and think he's a good fighter. Maybe a lose to one can be excused. But to lose to both is unacceptable.

True and its a reflection of the state of Australian boxing when everyones hopes gets pinned on a fighter such as the case with Danny Green now.

The crowds of general public in the venue and in all pubs watching all over Aust shows how hungry all the normal punters are for a Champion to rise.

Boxing is far from dead here but many dudes are under some false illusion as to what is great and what isnt.

Agree, the real fans know the score, the general publice get caught up on the hyperbole about having a Great in their midst etc, to be fair to green he hasn't been the one blowing his trumpet .

A Hopkins fight would sell out here no problem , they could probably have a stadium fight. The hype will sell the fight to the Aussie public. Hopkins just won't come here to Europe.

[Greig]

Agree with both Andre and Jamiebhoy.

I reckon the best thing about Wednesday fight is that it has got EVERYBODY in Australia talking about boxing again. I mean, even my girlfriend's parents who are totally NOT into boxing were asking me about it. It made back page news on the papers,it is fantastic for boxing in Australia.

Australia is a proud sporting country, but with aussie rules, ruby league and union, soccer and cricket, boxing doesn't even get a mention. The night of the fight it didn't even get a mention in the mainstream commercial TV news bulletins, although they did cover the weigh in the day before and I guess there isn't that much to cover between weigh in and fight - but I thought they could have at least mentioned it...

Anyway, I think it's great for the sport even if people are now talking about fights (Hopkins etc) that are highly unrealistic.

Mind you, if you had told me a year ago that Danny Green's people would succeed in getting Roy Jones Jr to Sydney, and that Green would knock him out in the first round, my reaction would have been another old Australian colloquialism...


PIG'S ARSE.

[THE THIRD MAN]

Im not really sure your right there... Certainly a bit tougher, but realistically Green has about the same kind of arsenal that Pavlik does, and is a similar kind of fighter. Flat footed, need to be set to punch, and never has a plan B. Hopkins and Roy Jones at this point are just such different animals, there's almost nothing to take from Green winning in that fashion as far as Hopkins should be concered, at least imo. Sure it was an upset and fairly shocking at that, but Roy Jones has been violently knocked out twice before, and hadn't fought a live body his own size since then. Green has shown in the past he comes unglued and doesn't have a plan B when someone gets into a rythym, he can be outboxed quite easily. Unless you really think he's about to steamroll Hopkins like that in the first, I see almost no reason to get excited about his chances whatsoever. Hopkins outclasses him 99 times out of 100 imo.

I agree, one of my criticisms of Green is he is or was a little wooden in his approach, almost predictable, Beyer out boxed him in the second fight with a masterful display of boxing and Green never had a plan B. From what i have seen of Green recently he has learned a lot from those defeats to Beyer and Mundine. I think Hopkins would find a way of beating him, it just might be a little more difficult than he thinks. Green is twice the fighter he was 3-4 years ago. We may never know and judging by some of the comments about Green on this thread, people are still afraid of the unknown!

What unknown? I seen over 15 of Danny Green fights. It's not hard to see what to expect. He's a stronger fighter with a big punch. Not more. The fact that a shot Roy Jones is his biggest win say it all. It's unacceptable for a fighter 2 lose to both Anthony Mundine and Markus Beyer and think he's a good fighter. Maybe a lose to one can be excused. But to lose to both is unacceptable.

You mean the same Roy Jones good enough to fight Joe Calzaghe just last year and the same Roy Jones Beranrd Hopkins wanted to fight next March? That shot Roy Jones? It appears to me that Danny Green would have been better off losing this fight to Jones?
Maybe Bernard Hopkins shouldn't have lost to Jermaine Taylor either...Twice!

[JazMerkin]

I agree, one of my criticisms of Green is he is or was a little wooden in his approach, almost predictable, Beyer out boxed him in the second fight with a masterful display of boxing and Green never had a plan B. From what i have seen of Green recently he has learned a lot from those defeats to Beyer and Mundine. I think Hopkins would find a way of beating him, it just might be a little more difficult than he thinks. Green is twice the fighter he was 3-4 years ago. We may never know and judging by some of the comments about Green on this thread, people are still afraid of the unknown!

What unknown? I seen over 15 of Danny Green fights. It's not hard to see what to expect. He's a stronger fighter with a big punch. Not more. The fact that a shot Roy Jones is his biggest win say it all. It's unacceptable for a fighter 2 lose to both Anthony Mundine and Markus Beyer and think he's a good fighter. Maybe a lose to one can be excused. But to lose to both is unacceptable.

You mean the same Roy Jones good enough to fight Joe Calzaghe just last year and the same Roy Jones Beranrd Hopkins wanted to fight next March? That shot Roy Jones? It appears to me that Danny Green would have been better off losing this fight to Jones?
Maybe Bernard Hopkins shouldn't have lost to Jermaine Taylor either...Twice!

Markus Beyer & Anthony Mundine are not fit to lace Taylor's gloves. Say what you like about Taylor, but his resume is one of the best in the sport. He's taken on the best in their primes & whilst he might not have always won, he's earned respect. Bernard Hopkins 2x, Winky Wright, Cory Spinks, William Joppy, Kelly Pavlik, Jeff Lacy, Kassim Ouma, Raul Marquez, Carl Froch & Arthur Abraham.

The best names on Beyer & Mundine's records combined are Mikkel Kessler, Sakio Bika & Sven Ottke. There's not a win among them & they were largely uncompetitive with those guys. Even in his defeats Taylor has always been competitive.

Just for the record, for the entirety of this thread. Hopkins is not ducking Green. Give Green a title shot at someone like Tavoris Cloud or Jurgen Braehmer. But he's not a proper world champ yet & he's not 'The Man'

Oh & Roy Jones should've retired after being put to sleep by Johnson. I lost a lot of respect for Calzaghe fighting him & I'd have lost the same if he'd fought Hopkins, which I said at the time I saw as sanctioned murder.

Credit to Green, but he didn't 'become a legend' by beating an old Roy Jones. Unless Trevor Berbick, Pat Lawlor, Stan Harrington & Uriah Grant are legends of the sport.

[THE THIRD MAN]

What unknown? I seen over 15 of Danny Green fights. It's not hard to see what to expect. He's a stronger fighter with a big punch. Not more. The fact that a shot Roy Jones is his biggest win say it all. It's unacceptable for a fighter 2 lose to both Anthony Mundine and Markus Beyer and think he's a good fighter. Maybe a lose to one can be excused. But to lose to both is unacceptable.

You mean the same Roy Jones good enough to fight Joe Calzaghe just last year and the same Roy Jones Beranrd Hopkins wanted to fight next March? That shot Roy Jones? It appears to me that Danny Green would have been better off losing this fight to Jones?
Maybe Bernard Hopkins shouldn't have lost to Jermaine Taylor either...Twice!

Markus Beyer & Anthony Mundine are not fit to lace Taylor's gloves. Say what you like about Taylor, but his resume is one of the best in the sport. He's taken on the best in their primes & whilst he might not have always won, he's earned respect. Bernard Hopkins 2x, Winky Wright, Cory Spinks, William Joppy, Kelly Pavlik, Jeff Lacy, Kassim Ouma, Raul Marquez, Carl Froch & Arthur Abraham.

The best names on Beyer & Mundine's records combined are Mikkel Kessler, Sakio Bika & Sven Ottke. There's not a win among them & they were largely uncompetitive with those guys. Even in his defeats Taylor has always been competitive.

Just for the record, for the entirety of this thread. Hopkins is not ducking Green. Give Green a title shot at someone like Tavoris Cloud or Jurgen Braehmer. But he's not a proper world champ yet & he's not 'The Man'

Oh & Roy Jones should've retired after being put to sleep by Johnson. I lost a lot of respect for Calzaghe fighting him & I'd have lost the same if he'd fought Hopkins, which I said at the time I saw as sanctioned murder.

Credit to Green, but he didn't 'become a legend' by beating an old Roy Jones. Unless Trevor Berbick, Pat Lawlor, Stan Harrington & Uriah Grant are legends of the sport.

Once again, The Man is reference to Anthony Mundines nickname
I suppose Leon Spinks is a legend for beating Ali the first time around? I think people have their noses well out of joint seeing Roy Jones Jr KOd by someone they do not believe in. Fair enough, i just like to give credit where it is due sometimes. What puzzles me is people on here think it would still be ok for Hopkins to fight Jones Jr in March while hanging shit on Danny Green? Hopkins has not been that active these past 12 months. Just exactly who will he fight that will be of interest to anybody? Comparing Greens win over Jones jr to that of Berbick over Ali is absurd. Ali was shot after the Thriller In Manilla FFS, Jones jr just came off a good win against Jeff Lacy? This fight effectively ended in 63 seconds!!

[skel1983]

You mean the same Roy Jones good enough to fight Joe Calzaghe just last year and the same Roy Jones Beranrd Hopkins wanted to fight next March? That shot Roy Jones? It appears to me that Danny Green would have been better off losing this fight to Jones?
Maybe Bernard Hopkins shouldn't have lost to Jermaine Taylor either...Twice!

Markus Beyer & Anthony Mundine are not fit to lace Taylor's gloves. Say what you like about Taylor, but his resume is one of the best in the sport. He's taken on the best in their primes & whilst he might not have always won, he's earned respect. Bernard Hopkins 2x, Winky Wright, Cory Spinks, William Joppy, Kelly Pavlik, Jeff Lacy, Kassim Ouma, Raul Marquez, Carl Froch & Arthur Abraham.

The best names on Beyer & Mundine's records combined are Mikkel Kessler, Sakio Bika & Sven Ottke. There's not a win among them & they were largely uncompetitive with those guys. Even in his defeats Taylor has always been competitive.

Just for the record, for the entirety of this thread. Hopkins is not ducking Green. Give Green a title shot at someone like Tavoris Cloud or Jurgen Braehmer. But he's not a proper world champ yet & he's not 'The Man'

Oh & Roy Jones should've retired after being put to sleep by Johnson. I lost a lot of respect for Calzaghe fighting him & I'd have lost the same if he'd fought Hopkins, which I said at the time I saw as sanctioned murder.

Credit to Green, but he didn't 'become a legend' by beating an old Roy Jones. Unless Trevor Berbick, Pat Lawlor, Stan Harrington & Uriah Grant are legends of the sport.

Once again, The Man is reference to Anthony Mundines nickname
I suppose Leon Spinks is a legend for beating Ali the first time around? I think people have their noses well out of joint seeing Roy Jones Jr KOd by someone they do not believe in. Fair enough, i just like to give credit where it is due sometimes. What puzzles me is people on here think it would still be ok for Hopkins to fight Jones Jr in March while hanging shit on Danny Green? Hopkins has not been that active these past 12 months. Just exactly who will he fight that will be of interest to anybody? Comparing Greens win over Jones jr to that of Berbick over Ali is absurd. Ali was shot after the Thriller In Manilla FFS, Jones jr just came off a good win against Jeff Lacy? This fight effectively ended in 63 seconds!!

Are you for real?? You think that RJJ win over Lacy was a good win?

What planet you on? Lacy is fucking garbage id take anyone with a boxing brain to beat Jeff Lacy, so now RJJ is not shot? Wow!! That's all I can say.

[Pugilistic]

Markus Beyer & Anthony Mundine are not fit to lace Taylor's gloves. Say what you like about Taylor, but his resume is one of the best in the sport. He's taken on the best in their primes & whilst he might not have always won, he's earned respect. Bernard Hopkins 2x, Winky Wright, Cory Spinks, William Joppy, Kelly Pavlik, Jeff Lacy, Kassim Ouma, Raul Marquez, Carl Froch & Arthur Abraham.

The best names on Beyer & Mundine's records combined are Mikkel Kessler, Sakio Bika & Sven Ottke. There's not a win among them & they were largely uncompetitive with those guys. Even in his defeats Taylor has always been competitive.

Just for the record, for the entirety of this thread. Hopkins is not ducking Green. Give Green a title shot at someone like Tavoris Cloud or Jurgen Braehmer. But he's not a proper world champ yet & he's not 'The Man'

Oh & Roy Jones should've retired after being put to sleep by Johnson. I lost a lot of respect for Calzaghe fighting him & I'd have lost the same if he'd fought Hopkins, which I said at the time I saw as sanctioned murder.

Credit to Green, but he didn't 'become a legend' by beating an old Roy Jones. Unless Trevor Berbick, Pat Lawlor, Stan Harrington & Uriah Grant are legends of the sport.

Once again, The Man is reference to Anthony Mundines nickname
I suppose Leon Spinks is a legend for beating Ali the first time around? I think people have their noses well out of joint seeing Roy Jones Jr KOd by someone they do not believe in. Fair enough, i just like to give credit where it is due sometimes. What puzzles me is people on here think it would still be ok for Hopkins to fight Jones Jr in March while hanging shit on Danny Green? Hopkins has not been that active these past 12 months. Just exactly who will he fight that will be of interest to anybody? Comparing Greens win over Jones jr to that of Berbick over Ali is absurd. Ali was shot after the Thriller In Manilla FFS, Jones jr just came off a good win against Jeff Lacy? This fight effectively ended in 63 seconds!!

Are you for real?? You think that RJJ win over Lacy was a good win?

What planet you on? Lacy is fucking garbage id take anyone with a boxing brain to beat Jeff Lacy, so now RJJ is not shot? Wow!! That's all I can say.

Lacy has been garbage ever since his very serious shoulder injury.

[THE THIRD MAN]

Markus Beyer & Anthony Mundine are not fit to lace Taylor's gloves. Say what you like about Taylor, but his resume is one of the best in the sport. He's taken on the best in their primes & whilst he might not have always won, he's earned respect. Bernard Hopkins 2x, Winky Wright, Cory Spinks, William Joppy, Kelly Pavlik, Jeff Lacy, Kassim Ouma, Raul Marquez, Carl Froch & Arthur Abraham.

The best names on Beyer & Mundine's records combined are Mikkel Kessler, Sakio Bika & Sven Ottke. There's not a win among them & they were largely uncompetitive with those guys. Even in his defeats Taylor has always been competitive.

Just for the record, for the entirety of this thread. Hopkins is not ducking Green. Give Green a title shot at someone like Tavoris Cloud or Jurgen Braehmer. But he's not a proper world champ yet & he's not 'The Man'

Oh & Roy Jones should've retired after being put to sleep by Johnson. I lost a lot of respect for Calzaghe fighting him & I'd have lost the same if he'd fought Hopkins, which I said at the time I saw as sanctioned murder.

Credit to Green, but he didn't 'become a legend' by beating an old Roy Jones. Unless Trevor Berbick, Pat Lawlor, Stan Harrington & Uriah Grant are legends of the sport.

Once again, The Man is reference to Anthony Mundines nickname
I suppose Leon Spinks is a legend for beating Ali the first time around? I think people have their noses well out of joint seeing Roy Jones Jr KOd by someone they do not believe in. Fair enough, i just like to give credit where it is due sometimes. What puzzles me is people on here think it would still be ok for Hopkins to fight Jones Jr in March while hanging shit on Danny Green? Hopkins has not been that active these past 12 months. Just exactly who will he fight that will be of interest to anybody? Comparing Greens win over Jones jr to that of Berbick over Ali is absurd. Ali was shot after the Thriller In Manilla FFS, Jones jr just came off a good win against Jeff Lacy? This fight effectively ended in 63 seconds!!

Are you for real?? You think that RJJ win over Lacy was a good win?

What planet you on? Lacy is fucking garbage id take anyone with a boxing brain to beat Jeff Lacy, so now RJJ is not shot? Wow!! That's all I can say.

I see this loss has really affected the mental capabilities of people on this forum, You must be must living on fucking Mars! He beat Lacy, it was a good win. Garbage or not, he won and Hopkins wanted Jones jr in March. Get your head out of your ass! Green has wrecked the dream re match. My point here is Green is getting more shit for winning than if he had of lost.