Thanks chris, its so much easier to understand now, after seeingthis yesterday i realised ive already been doing the dissuasive jab and something like the phantom overhand while sparring the 1-1-2 and ascending jab helped me to no end last night my partner is a good 3'' bigger than me and the jab definently helped me close range on him a few times in an aggressive way which was good as i box from a defensive crouch and caught my partner unexpected both times while useing it, the 1-1-2 was also a good move i could take advantage of with little drilling beforehand he couldnt do anything but keep his hands high while i made the angle for the right hand this was another farmiliar move i had been jabbing and moving off to the left with footwork like that for a while but never realy used a cross on the end but it definently made sense after i tried it once, as well i think the manual helped me seeing the movements on paper it has helped me sort of mentally label each individual movement and better ID what moves to use at what time in the ring if that makes sense, thanks again chris great stuff, loving these new moves