Slipping straights to your left

[WayneFlint]

I just wanted a few opinions on slipping straights to your left shoulder i find slipping punches to my right shoulder a lot easier and i was wondering as i slip a straight left to my right and counter with the right hand i usually take a little step forward and outward with my lead foot, i find it helps me slip the full range of the oncoming jab, however im struggling much more to slip to my left shoulder with any sort of counter barring the left hook to the body but as i do this counter i usually take a small step with my right foot outwards and forwards as i deliever the counter and this brings me to my question, is it the same sort of movement countering a left straight by slipping to my left and countering with a left hook or straight left? do i take a small step forward and to the right with my right foot as i slip to my left and counter with a straight left or left hook? at first it seemed sort of obviouse what to do but now im sort of complicating it in my mind because this movement is similar to forward shifting or side shifting with a hook or left straight to counter the only difference it would seem is that there is no small step back with the lead foot before steping forward and right with my right foot to land the counter, im wondering is it just a similar movement or have i got it all wrong and there is no movement on a left shoulder slip and you are simply pivotiing like you would to throw a left hook and standing stationary to slip the punch and counter at the same time? does anyone know of any way to help slipto my left the full range of the on coming punch? because to me it seems like the way to do it is by takeing a small step with the right foot? im sorry for my bad grammar i hope someone can make sense of this ><

[cocobeware]

Are you southpaw?
I cant really make sense of the steps you describe are you talking about slipping to the outside or inside? but i think its ok to take a step out as you slip as i should give you better momentum to counter or pivot out.
I'm no expert on counter punching however so hopefully someone else can maybee help you.
There is some usefull posts here that might help you if you havent already looked.
http://http://www.saddoboxing.com/bo...l-posts-4.html

[WayneFlint]

No im orthodox to try and sum up what i was trying to say, when i counter with a right cross i usually take a step forward and a little left with my lead foot to slip the full range of the jab and counter more effectively, and i was wondering if when slipping a jab to my left shoulder i should take a small step forward and to the right with my right foot to slip the full range of the jab with a strong counter?, i was just wondering because this movement is similar to the drop shift with a left hook to the chin apart from with the drop shift you would have drawn back your lead foot 6'' before stepping forward with your right foot,is this the correct movement for slipping to my left andcountering? or is it more like ive read described in books and its just like throwing a left hookto evade the jab and counter as 1 movement without any previouse step? so yeh when i slip to my left and counter do my feetstay still?, do i step with my right foot? or my left? it might seem like a stupid question that doesnt really make a difference what i do but id really appreciate help on this 1

[Andre]

i think Im with you.
So if your left foot forward and you lean out to your right, so his shot is going over your left shoulder ; the question is: can you move your right foot out there?

I'd say yes for distance and more of a shuffle so that your left foot turns and follows your path for your balance.

I think it is actually safer to head out that way on the outer flank of his left jab arm because you are heading away from any danger from his right hand but you have to correct yourself with a correcting short step and take advantage of where you are fast or get caught with a cross as you come up from being out of balance. Ive pulled the left foot right around the back off the right foot so that Im in south stance which then sets you up for an overhand right bomb over his retracting left jab.you then have to close fast or retract the right foot back around the left so that youre back in orthodox and have given your self room and time .

For a standard move that way I like to glide his jab with the right glove move in slightly with a straight left to the mid riff then do what arises naturally from there its a short step and adjust the rear foot thing too.

I wouldnt lean out without some correction for balance.

[cocobeware]

Ah yes i understand you now.
It mentions in this post taking a slight step out to the right before countering with uppercut to body or chin.I think the step out would also give you more power on the counter.
http://http://www.saddoboxing.com/bo...left-lead.html

[WayneFlint]

i think Im with you.
So if your left foot forward and you lean out to your right, so his shot is going over your left shoulder ; the question is: can you move your right foot out there?

I'd say yes for distance and more of a shuffle so that your left foot turns and follows your path for your balance.

I think it is actually safer to head out that way on the outer flank of his left jab arm because you are heading away from any danger from his right hand but you have to correct yourself with a correcting short step and take advantage of where you are fast or get caught with a cross as you come up from being out of balance. Ive pulled the left foot right around the back off the right foot so that Im in south stance which then sets you up for an overhand right bomb over his retracting left jab.you then have to close fast or retract the right foot back around the left so that youre back in orthodox and have given your self room and time .

For a standard move that way I like to glide his jab with the right glove move in slightly with a straight left to the mid riff then do what arises naturally from there its a short step and adjust the rear foot thing too.

I wouldnt lean out without some correction for balance.

Right i thought it felt safer that way not so close to the right hand but i know what you mean the lack of balance often means i miss the opertunity to counter off the lead left with a left hand especially with a hook to the chin after comeing up with the slip to my left i seem to be off balance, sometimes i can land a strong left hook to the body but i always pullmy self off balance because im out of range when going for the right hook to the chin which ends up more like a swing. thanks for the reply andre

[WayneFlint]

Ah yes i understand you now.
It mentions in this post taking a slight step out to the right before countering with uppercut to body or chin.I think the step out would also give you more power on the counter.
http://http://www.saddoboxing.com/bo...left-lead.html

that link isnt working for me for some reason mate thnx neway

[Chris Nagel]

When countering off of the slip, you usually have to step in. When slipping to the inside of the jab, you can drop low and hold your left glove up to try to block their right hand, or press against the inside of their right arm to check/stop it. In the following clip, Don Familton goes over slipping to the inside and pinning their right arm up with your right arm. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0nz9BBFvLkNote: click on the video to get get redirected to the youtube page. The part on slipping to the inside starts about a couple mins in.

For safety, you can practice getting low and stepping out on an angle or clinch.

[WayneFlint]

Ah right thanks chris i think uve answered my question so its ok if im slipping outside a jab and step with my right foot first to counter from the slip but if i was just to slip the punch with no counter there is no step

[Andre]

Ah right thanks chris i think uve answered my question so its ok if im slipping outside a jab and step with my right foot first to counter from the slip but if i was just to slip the punch with no counter there is no step

Why would you slip a punch without countering?
IF you do that it is just the first stage of a process.
That last part is true that you said and it works; but hit then move or move then hit immediately or move and hit simultanously-immediately.

If your head is at their elbow range because they have already thrown,you hold all the cards and your immediate shot should be making them pay as they react and where they go from there on that reaction; is where you should be in balance to meet them so they are turning into your next shot or your next shot is hidden from their view. There are tens of variations that you can make happen from there,by their reaction to you and you moving to it.

You could even change the inside slip into an outside of their arm advantage cause as their jab is slipped and you are on the inside of it, if you have closed distance they will fold their expended left arm in towards you on reaction, you would have your left glove up to protect against their right, but as you feel them turn and their left folds towards centre to check your position you go under it but launch your left as an upper cut up the inside of their left arm as you pass under it . Then you've got full outside their arm advantage and by staying onto them close you can swivel both your feet back the reverse angle from where you just moved to. You are loading your right hip and shoulder for your right hand to double hook one low one high as you rise. Im just playing with could occur if you want it to, here.

Your not going to be able to do that on fast feel you out style snappy jabs of course, your hands have to deal with them and the moves are reactive in those cases but you can still make them walk to your dance eventually.

What Im trying to say is thatpast the basics there are no hard and fast rules. If someones head hunting you and committed to long straight jabs or if its towards the end of a fight or hard round and you are both gassed a bit then the rules really change. Because you have more time to make more of something, if youre smarter than them at that stage and have great footwork that not only evades but sets you up to catch them as well you win.

[WayneFlint]

Thanks andre thats made things a lot clearer now sometimes i tend to over complicate things in my head when im not sparring and end up confusing myself for when i am actually in the ring

[Scrap]

{f you dont move the feet you have to go back where you started. If the guy is showing one, youve got trouble

[WayneFlint]

Ah right i get what you mean nowyeh so if i slip without a step then i have to return to the same position after the slipping movement and if it was a feint i tried to slip followed by a jab then im still stood right infront of it, thanks scrap that makes sense