Forget The Amir Khan Fight.

[Fenster]

which shows how piss poor the WBA is!


For instance the IBO has salita ranked at 46 - Khan at 8! Why fight someone so low in the rankings. Salita is missing from the major players.

Well really it shows how piss poor all "world" titles are.

But you need to fight your mandatory or get stripped. This was a perfect opportunity to get that out the way.

10,000 tickets and PPV for a "gimme"... every fighter would love that work

Shows how much you can do with the right hype

And talent to back it up

[ono]

Missy, I'm curious what could Khan do that would earn your respect.

I fucking despise Carl Froch, but he did earn some of my respect in beating Pascal & Taylor & he'd get a lot of it if he won the Super 6.

So what would Khan have to do or who would he have to beat for you to say he's a good/excellent fighter?

Well i can't speak for Missy but im just guessing here, i think she would give him respect if he beat either of these guys.

Timothy Bradley vs Lamont Peterson winner
Nate Campbell
Juan Diaz vs Paul Malignaggi winner
Kendall Holt
Devon Alexander
Marcos Rene Maidana
Mike Alvrado

Any of these would be fine, and at some point. He has to revenge that KO loss to Breidis Prescott aswell.

Well let's look at some of the names you've listed....

Bradley

An SD over Witter and a win over Holt. Two fighter's who've collectively not really achieved all that much. I'll give Bradley credit for how he set about Nate Campbell but i don't think he excels in anything. Just a good solid, but very beatable fighter imo. Out of everyone on the list, i'd imagine Bradley would be the biggest scalp - but that's not saying much.

Malignaggi

Gained more fame from his losses than he has from his victories. Not beaten anybody of note. Didn't really deserve to beat Ngoudjo. Best win over Lovemore N'Dou. Wow. Then he rematched him and did much worse. Still, managed to blag a free hair cut out of it.

Holt

Managed to KO Torres with his head which to be fair, takes some skills. Otherwise spectacular MD and SD wins over Ben Tackie and D-Hop respectively. He also holds a win over p4p champ Mighty Mike Arnaoutis and actually was responsible for the funniest knockdown i've probably ever seen - Bradley. Belter. Looks a lot like the guy who has his bike nicked in 'Friday', so at least he has marketability on his side.

Alexander

The only name on his resume is an injured, faded Junior Witter who's ability was questionnable to begin with. Alexander clearly has talent - but so does Khan, only Alexander's resume is weaker. If Khan got hardly any credit for boxing Kotelnik silly, why would he get credit for beating Alexander?

Maidana

Lost to Kotelnik. Some say unfairly, some say justifiably. Nearly got chinned by a guy who doesn't really like Boxing in Victor Ortiz. Great fight. Not a great fighter.

Alvarado

Please explain how his record is any better than Salita's or Kotelnik's? How many top 20/30 fighters has he beaten?


It's not that any of the above fighters are bad fighters, because they are obviously not. But i don't see how any of them are that much better than Kotelnik, and Khan didn't get much kudos for that win. Infact he's got pretty much cock all for ko'ing Dimitry Salita inside 76 seconds. He'd have to beat that lot in the same night get any credit on here. That would be a shit hot prizefighter actually.

[ICB]

Missy, I'm curious what could Khan do that would earn your respect.

I fucking despise Carl Froch, but he did earn some of my respect in beating Pascal & Taylor & he'd get a lot of it if he won the Super 6.

So what would Khan have to do or who would he have to beat for you to say he's a good/excellent fighter?

Well i can't speak for Missy but im just guessing here, i think she would give him respect if he beat either of these guys.

Timothy Bradley vs Lamont Peterson winner
Nate Campbell
Juan Diaz vs Paul Malignaggi winner
Kendall Holt
Devon Alexander
Marcos Rene Maidana
Mike Alvrado

Any of these would be fine, and at some point. He has to revenge that KO loss to Breidis Prescott aswell.

Well let's look at some of the names you've listed....

Bradley

An SD over Witter and a win over Holt. Two fighter's who've collectively not really achieved all that much. I'll give Bradley credit for how he set about Nate Campbell but i don't think he excels in anything. Just a good solid, but very beatable fighter imo. Out of everyone on the list, i'd imagine Bradley would be the biggest scalp - but that's not saying much.

Malignaggi

Gained more fame from his losses than he has from his victories. Not beaten anybody of note. Didn't really deserve to beat Ngoudjo. Best win over Lovemore N'Dou. Wow. Then he rematched him and did much worse. Still, managed to blag a free hair cut out of it.

Holt

Managed to KO Torres with his head which to be fair, takes some skills. Otherwise spectacular MD and SD wins over Ben Tackie and D-Hop respectively. He also holds a win over p4p champ Mighty Mike Arnaoutis and actually was responsible for the funniest knockdown i've probably ever seen - Bradley. Belter. Looks a lot like the guy who has his bike nicked in 'Friday', so at least he has marketability on his side.

Alexander

The only name on his resume is an injured, faded Junior Witter who's ability was questionnable to begin with. Alexander clearly has talent - but so does Khan, only Alexander's resume is weaker. If Khan got hardly any credit for boxing Kotelnik silly, why would he get credit for beating Alexander?

Maidana

Lost to Kotelnik. Some say unfairly, some say justifiably. Nearly got chinned by a guy who doesn't really like Boxing in Victor Ortiz. Great fight. Not a great fighter.

Alvarado

Please explain how his record is any better than Salita's or Kotelnik's? How many top 20/30 fighters has he beaten?


It's not that any of the above fighters are bad fighters, because they are obviously not. But i don't see how any of them are that much better than Kotelnik, and Khan didn't get much kudos for that win. Infact he's got pretty much cock all for ko'ing Dimitry Salita inside 76 seconds. He'd have to beat that lot in the same night get any credit on here. That would be a shit hot prizefighter actually.

Well you said all that not me, i would personally give him credit if he beat any of those fighters. Devon Alexander, Timothy Bradley, Lamont Peterson, Kendall Holt, ETC.

Are respected names in the USA, and there a mix of good boxers and good punchers. Dmitriy Salita was not respected and got a gift off a fighter with a 10-2 record, and was floored twice by a fighter with 2 KO's.

Andriy Kotelnik is very mediocre and got a gift off Marcos Rene Maidana, and won his title off one of the worst title holders on modern history. And couldn't even beat the fighter Gavin Rees beat for the title aka Souleymane M'baye.

I gurantee you 100 percent, he would get plenty of respect from people. If he beat any of those fighters above, more so if he beat the top 4 i listed.

I heard he's fighting Zab Judah, thats good step up for him. A fast Southpaw, with some pop who's known in the USA.

[Gandalf]

Well i can't speak for Missy but im just guessing here, i think she would give him respect if he beat either of these guys.

Timothy Bradley vs Lamont Peterson winner
Nate Campbell
Juan Diaz vs Paul Malignaggi winner
Kendall Holt
Devon Alexander
Marcos Rene Maidana
Mike Alvrado

Any of these would be fine, and at some point. He has to revenge that KO loss to Breidis Prescott aswell.

Well let's look at some of the names you've listed....

Bradley

An SD over Witter and a win over Holt. Two fighter's who've collectively not really achieved all that much. I'll give Bradley credit for how he set about Nate Campbell but i don't think he excels in anything. Just a good solid, but very beatable fighter imo. Out of everyone on the list, i'd imagine Bradley would be the biggest scalp - but that's not saying much.

Malignaggi

Gained more fame from his losses than he has from his victories. Not beaten anybody of note. Didn't really deserve to beat Ngoudjo. Best win over Lovemore N'Dou. Wow. Then he rematched him and did much worse. Still, managed to blag a free hair cut out of it.

Holt

Managed to KO Torres with his head which to be fair, takes some skills. Otherwise spectacular MD and SD wins over Ben Tackie and D-Hop respectively. He also holds a win over p4p champ Mighty Mike Arnaoutis and actually was responsible for the funniest knockdown i've probably ever seen - Bradley. Belter. Looks a lot like the guy who has his bike nicked in 'Friday', so at least he has marketability on his side.

Alexander

The only name on his resume is an injured, faded Junior Witter who's ability was questionnable to begin with. Alexander clearly has talent - but so does Khan, only Alexander's resume is weaker. If Khan got hardly any credit for boxing Kotelnik silly, why would he get credit for beating Alexander?

Maidana

Lost to Kotelnik. Some say unfairly, some say justifiably. Nearly got chinned by a guy who doesn't really like Boxing in Victor Ortiz. Great fight. Not a great fighter.

Alvarado

Please explain how his record is any better than Salita's or Kotelnik's? How many top 20/30 fighters has he beaten?


It's not that any of the above fighters are bad fighters, because they are obviously not. But i don't see how any of them are that much better than Kotelnik, and Khan didn't get much kudos for that win. Infact he's got pretty much cock all for ko'ing Dimitry Salita inside 76 seconds. He'd have to beat that lot in the same night get any credit on here. That would be a shit hot prizefighter actually.

Well you said all that not me, i would personally give him credit if he beat any of those fighters. Devon Alexander, Timothy Bradley, Lamont Peterson, Kendall Holt, ETC.

Are respected names in the USA, and there a mix of good boxers and good punchers. Dmitriy Salita was not respected and got a gift off a fighter with a 10-2 record, and was floored twice by a fighter with 2 KO's.

Andriy Kotelnik is very mediocre and got a gift off Marcos Rene Maidana, and won his title off one of the worst title holders on modern history. And couldn't even beat the fighter Gavin Rees beat aka Souleymane M'baye.

I gurantee you 100 percent, he would get plenty of respect from people. If he beat any of those fighters above, more so if he beat the top 4 i listed.

Indeed, he would.

Khan is supposed to be a champion now, so let's see him in a real fight. It isn't too much to ask. He got his title from a weak holder that even Khan admitted was crap and then Salita. It's time for some real challenges, but we all know how Warren works with the gullible and foolish public who lap it all up whilst being worked over by the propaganda of the UK sports media.

[ono]

Well i can't speak for Missy but im just guessing here, i think she would give him respect if he beat either of these guys.

Timothy Bradley vs Lamont Peterson winner
Nate Campbell
Juan Diaz vs Paul Malignaggi winner
Kendall Holt
Devon Alexander
Marcos Rene Maidana
Mike Alvrado

Any of these would be fine, and at some point. He has to revenge that KO loss to Breidis Prescott aswell.

Well let's look at some of the names you've listed....

Bradley

An SD over Witter and a win over Holt. Two fighter's who've collectively not really achieved all that much. I'll give Bradley credit for how he set about Nate Campbell but i don't think he excels in anything. Just a good solid, but very beatable fighter imo. Out of everyone on the list, i'd imagine Bradley would be the biggest scalp - but that's not saying much.

Malignaggi

Gained more fame from his losses than he has from his victories. Not beaten anybody of note. Didn't really deserve to beat Ngoudjo. Best win over Lovemore N'Dou. Wow. Then he rematched him and did much worse. Still, managed to blag a free hair cut out of it.

Holt

Managed to KO Torres with his head which to be fair, takes some skills. Otherwise spectacular MD and SD wins over Ben Tackie and D-Hop respectively. He also holds a win over p4p champ Mighty Mike Arnaoutis and actually was responsible for the funniest knockdown i've probably ever seen - Bradley. Belter. Looks a lot like the guy who has his bike nicked in 'Friday', so at least he has marketability on his side.

Alexander

The only name on his resume is an injured, faded Junior Witter who's ability was questionnable to begin with. Alexander clearly has talent - but so does Khan, only Alexander's resume is weaker. If Khan got hardly any credit for boxing Kotelnik silly, why would he get credit for beating Alexander?

Maidana

Lost to Kotelnik. Some say unfairly, some say justifiably. Nearly got chinned by a guy who doesn't really like Boxing in Victor Ortiz. Great fight. Not a great fighter.

Alvarado

Please explain how his record is any better than Salita's or Kotelnik's? How many top 20/30 fighters has he beaten?


It's not that any of the above fighters are bad fighters, because they are obviously not. But i don't see how any of them are that much better than Kotelnik, and Khan didn't get much kudos for that win. Infact he's got pretty much cock all for ko'ing Dimitry Salita inside 76 seconds. He'd have to beat that lot in the same night get any credit on here. That would be a shit hot prizefighter actually.

Well you said all that not me, i would personally give him credit if he beat any of those fighters. Devon Alexander, Timothy Bradley, Lamont Peterson, Kendall Holt, ETC.

Are respected names in the USA, and there a mix of good boxers and good punchers. Dmitriy Salita was not respected and got a gift off a fighter with a 10-2 record, and was floored twice by a fighter with 2 KO's.

Andriy Kotelnik is very mediocre and got a gift off Marcos Rene Maidana, and won his title off one of the worst title holders on modern history. And couldn't even beat the fighter Gavin Rees beat for the title aka Souleymane M'baye.

I gurantee you 100 percent, he would get plenty of respect from people. If he beat any of those fighters above, more so if he beat the top 4 i listed.

I heard he's fighting Zab Judah, thats good step up for him. A fast Southpaw, with some pop who's known in the USA.

I actually disagree with Kotelnik. He is well drilled and well skilled. His only problem is, he can be outworked. I actually thought he beat Maidana, whom i don't rate anyway. He's a hard-bastard but that's pretty much all he has going for him.

My point wasn't to rubbish your list - because infact it was a good list. My point is, after every fight, there is always a reason to take credit away from him. It's been like that right through his career. 2 years ago he wiped out Graham Earl inside 90 seconds and he got exactly the same amount of credit he got for doing the same to the WBO number 1 contender. Little.

I can see the same thing happening unless he wins a fight where he is a massive under-dog. That's not going to happen. It would be career suicide.

I think Judah is the perfect fight for him. But, i can think of lots of reasons why he won't get credit for beating him.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Missy, I'm curious what could Khan do that would earn your respect.

I fucking despise Carl Froch, but he did earn some of my respect in beating Pascal & Taylor & he'd get a lot of it if he won the Super 6.

So what would Khan have to do or who would he have to beat for you to say he's a good/excellent fighter?

Well i can't speak for Missy but im just guessing here, i think she would give him respect if he beat either of these guys.

Timothy Bradley vs Lamont Peterson winner
Nate Campbell
Juan Diaz vs Paul Malignaggi winner
Kendall Holt
Devon Alexander
Marcos Rene Maidana
Mike Alvrado

Any of these would be fine, and at some point. He has to revenge that KO loss to Breidis Prescott aswell.

Well let's look at some of the names you've listed....

Bradley

An SD over Witter and a win over Holt. Two fighter's who've collectively not really achieved all that much. I'll give Bradley credit for how he set about Nate Campbell but i don't think he excels in anything. Just a good solid, but very beatable fighter imo. Out of everyone on the list, i'd imagine Bradley would be the biggest scalp - but that's not saying much.

Malignaggi

Gained more fame from his losses than he has from his victories. Not beaten anybody of note. Didn't really deserve to beat Ngoudjo. Best win over Lovemore N'Dou. Wow. Then he rematched him and did much worse. Still, managed to blag a free hair cut out of it.

Holt

Managed to KO Torres with his head which to be fair, takes some skills. Otherwise spectacular MD and SD wins over Ben Tackie and D-Hop respectively. He also holds a win over p4p champ Mighty Mike Arnaoutis and actually was responsible for the funniest knockdown i've probably ever seen - Bradley. Belter. Looks a lot like the guy who has his bike nicked in 'Friday', so at least he has marketability on his side.

Alexander

The only name on his resume is an injured, faded Junior Witter who's ability was questionnable to begin with. Alexander clearly has talent - but so does Khan, only Alexander's resume is weaker. If Khan got hardly any credit for boxing Kotelnik silly, why would he get credit for beating Alexander?

Maidana

Lost to Kotelnik. Some say unfairly, some say justifiably. Nearly got chinned by a guy who doesn't really like Boxing in Victor Ortiz. Great fight. Not a great fighter.

Alvarado

Please explain how his record is any better than Salita's or Kotelnik's? How many top 20/30 fighters has he beaten?


It's not that any of the above fighters are bad fighters, because they are obviously not. But i don't see how any of them are that much better than Kotelnik, and Khan didn't get much kudos for that win. Infact he's got pretty much cock all for ko'ing Dimitry Salita inside 76 seconds. He'd have to beat that lot in the same night get any credit on here. That would be a shit hot prizefighter actually.

So in this case everyone in the division is shit. Great post!

[chip]

It was a great performance but let's be honest, if Amir had fought Prescott again tonight and won exactly the way Mitchell did all everyone would be saying is that Prescott was just shit anyway as proved by his last loss to an unknown.

You can't forget the Amir Khan fight, he sparked an undefeated, number one ranked contender (yes I know not ring ranked but organisation ranked) and he did him in 76 seconds.

I can't recall any British fighter in recent times defending a world title with a win inside the first minute and a half of the fight.

I think Lennox Lewis might have beaten a couple in the first round like that but outside of him I can't think of any British fighter who has demolished a fighter in one round in a world title fight that like that.

You can't say Amir Khan would of done the same to Breidis Prescott, Kevin Mitchell has a better chin. And much better upper body movement. Breidis Prescott was a live dangerous opponent, and Kevin Mitchell dominated him and won atleast 11 rounds showing very good boxing skill.

Dmitriy Salita was crap and had shown a very weak chin in the past, i mean down twice and scrapping to a draw against a guy with only 2 KO's. Are you kidding me ?

Until Amir Khan fights a puncher or atleast someone with a name, im not giving him any credit until he atleast beats.

Timothy Bradley
Nate Campbell
Juan Diaz vs Paul Malignaggi winner
Devon Alexander
Kendall Holt
Mike Alvarado
Lamont Peterson
Marcos Rene Maidana

If he beats any of these guys i will be the first to give him credit.

well said mate agree 100%

[Kev]

Well i can't speak for Missy but im just guessing here, i think she would give him respect if he beat either of these guys.

Timothy Bradley vs Lamont Peterson winner
Nate Campbell
Juan Diaz vs Paul Malignaggi winner
Kendall Holt
Devon Alexander
Marcos Rene Maidana
Mike Alvrado

Any of these would be fine, and at some point. He has to revenge that KO loss to Breidis Prescott aswell.

Well let's look at some of the names you've listed....

Bradley

An SD over Witter and a win over Holt. Two fighter's who've collectively not really achieved all that much. I'll give Bradley credit for how he set about Nate Campbell but i don't think he excels in anything. Just a good solid, but very beatable fighter imo. Out of everyone on the list, i'd imagine Bradley would be the biggest scalp - but that's not saying much.

Malignaggi

Gained more fame from his losses than he has from his victories. Not beaten anybody of note. Didn't really deserve to beat Ngoudjo. Best win over Lovemore N'Dou. Wow. Then he rematched him and did much worse. Still, managed to blag a free hair cut out of it.

Holt

Managed to KO Torres with his head which to be fair, takes some skills. Otherwise spectacular MD and SD wins over Ben Tackie and D-Hop respectively. He also holds a win over p4p champ Mighty Mike Arnaoutis and actually was responsible for the funniest knockdown i've probably ever seen - Bradley. Belter. Looks a lot like the guy who has his bike nicked in 'Friday', so at least he has marketability on his side.

Alexander

The only name on his resume is an injured, faded Junior Witter who's ability was questionnable to begin with. Alexander clearly has talent - but so does Khan, only Alexander's resume is weaker. If Khan got hardly any credit for boxing Kotelnik silly, why would he get credit for beating Alexander?

Maidana

Lost to Kotelnik. Some say unfairly, some say justifiably. Nearly got chinned by a guy who doesn't really like Boxing in Victor Ortiz. Great fight. Not a great fighter.

Alvarado

Please explain how his record is any better than Salita's or Kotelnik's? How many top 20/30 fighters has he beaten?


It's not that any of the above fighters are bad fighters, because they are obviously not. But i don't see how any of them are that much better than Kotelnik, and Khan didn't get much kudos for that win. Infact he's got pretty much cock all for ko'ing Dimitry Salita inside 76 seconds. He'd have to beat that lot in the same night get any credit on here. That would be a shit hot prizefighter actually.

Well you said all that not me, i would personally give him credit if he beat any of those fighters. Devon Alexander, Timothy Bradley, Lamont Peterson, Kendall Holt, ETC.

Are respected names in the USA, and there a mix of good boxers and good punchers. Dmitriy Salita was not respected and got a gift off a fighter with a 10-2 record, and was floored twice by a fighter with 2 KO's.

Andriy Kotelnik is very mediocre and got a gift off Marcos Rene Maidana, and won his title off one of the worst title holders on modern history. And couldn't even beat the fighter Gavin Rees beat for the title aka Souleymane M'baye.

I gurantee you 100 percent, he would get plenty of respect from people. If he beat any of those fighters above, more so if he beat the top 4 i listed.

I heard he's fighting Zab Judah, thats good step up for him. A fast Southpaw, with some pop who's known in the USA.

There was nothing wrong with Salita as a first defence for Khan. It was his mandatory after all.

A quick look at Calzaghe's record reads quite similarly.

After winning his world title against Eubank, his first defence was against 12-0 Tyler Hughes, who I have never heard of, and who finished his career with 23 wins versus 25 losses. Calzaghe also won in the first round.

Joe then went on to fight Branko Sobot and Juan Carlsos Ferreya, again two complete unknowns to me, who also had very mediocre records. Of course Calzaghe 25-26 years old at this point so basically 3 years or so behind where Khan is already.


Ricky Hatton didn't win a world title until his late twenties and then went on a belt collection against arguably the worst world champ in recent years Carlos Muassa and then moved up to fight Luis Collazo, a fighter who was completely unkown at the time and was expected to be also a shit paper champ, but who most felt beat Ricky.

Since then Ricky has fought a string of paper belt holders and shot former champs in between getting sparked against quality opposition.

Khan's career is well ahead of where either of these two guys were at age 23 and yet these are considered our two finest fighters of this milennium, along with Lennox Lewis who didn't even turn pro until he was older than where Khan is now.

Given that these three represent some of our best ever fighters I just find it staggering that people moan about Khan not stepping up.

He has already achieved more than ANY OTHER 22 YEAR OLD CURRENTLY FIGHTING IN THE WORLD! yet people slate him for not being moved to slowly.

They assess him according to the highest criteria possible and its just ridiculous.

ICB made the thread 'Forget about the Khan fight' to tell us instead how great Kevin Mitchell was against Prescott, a fight where he did indeed perform well, but Mitchell is three years old than Khan and turned professional two years earlier than Khan.

Yet Khan is already a world champ and has a win over a legend in Barrera.

How come everyone isn't jumping on Mitchell for being moved along at a snails pace compared to Amir Khan?

I'm sure he will be defended, with Ice replying he just hasn't had the opportunities Amir has had right Ice?

[ono]

Well i can't speak for Missy but im just guessing here, i think she would give him respect if he beat either of these guys.

Timothy Bradley vs Lamont Peterson winner
Nate Campbell
Juan Diaz vs Paul Malignaggi winner
Kendall Holt
Devon Alexander
Marcos Rene Maidana
Mike Alvrado

Any of these would be fine, and at some point. He has to revenge that KO loss to Breidis Prescott aswell.

Well let's look at some of the names you've listed....

Bradley

An SD over Witter and a win over Holt. Two fighter's who've collectively not really achieved all that much. I'll give Bradley credit for how he set about Nate Campbell but i don't think he excels in anything. Just a good solid, but very beatable fighter imo. Out of everyone on the list, i'd imagine Bradley would be the biggest scalp - but that's not saying much.

Malignaggi

Gained more fame from his losses than he has from his victories. Not beaten anybody of note. Didn't really deserve to beat Ngoudjo. Best win over Lovemore N'Dou. Wow. Then he rematched him and did much worse. Still, managed to blag a free hair cut out of it.

Holt

Managed to KO Torres with his head which to be fair, takes some skills. Otherwise spectacular MD and SD wins over Ben Tackie and D-Hop respectively. He also holds a win over p4p champ Mighty Mike Arnaoutis and actually was responsible for the funniest knockdown i've probably ever seen - Bradley. Belter. Looks a lot like the guy who has his bike nicked in 'Friday', so at least he has marketability on his side.

Alexander

The only name on his resume is an injured, faded Junior Witter who's ability was questionnable to begin with. Alexander clearly has talent - but so does Khan, only Alexander's resume is weaker. If Khan got hardly any credit for boxing Kotelnik silly, why would he get credit for beating Alexander?

Maidana

Lost to Kotelnik. Some say unfairly, some say justifiably. Nearly got chinned by a guy who doesn't really like Boxing in Victor Ortiz. Great fight. Not a great fighter.

Alvarado

Please explain how his record is any better than Salita's or Kotelnik's? How many top 20/30 fighters has he beaten?


It's not that any of the above fighters are bad fighters, because they are obviously not. But i don't see how any of them are that much better than Kotelnik, and Khan didn't get much kudos for that win. Infact he's got pretty much cock all for ko'ing Dimitry Salita inside 76 seconds. He'd have to beat that lot in the same night get any credit on here. That would be a shit hot prizefighter actually.

So in this case everyone in the division is shit. Great post!

No.

[Fenster]

Bilbo you need to learn to read Boxrec better. Tyler Hughes was certainly no Calzaghe title defence

And although I agree there's nothing wrong with Khan's opposition to date, you can't compare those other fighters by age because NONE of them turned pro a "star" like Khan. Without Khan's star credentials he wouldn't have managed a "world" title shot so early or got an old legend in the ring to duff up.

Kotelnik had a fight with Ortiz lined up but Warren offered him more money to fight Khan. It's all about money!!!

[ono]

Bilbo you need to learn to read Boxrec better. Tyler Hughes was certainly no Calzaghe title defence

And although I agree there's nothing wrong with Khan's opposition to date, you can't compare those other fighters by age because NONE of them turned pro a "star" like Khan. Without Khan's star credentials he wouldn't have managed a "world" title shot so early or got an old legend in the ring to duff up.

Kotelnik had a fight with Ortiz lined up but Warren offered him more money to fight Khan. It's all about money!!!

I agree, but Khan has proved he is good enough to be at least up there at world level, given that he easily beat Kotelnik and destroyed his mandatory. Granted, that doesn't say much about World Level at 140. So yeah you could argue, he shouldn't have gotten his shot so quickly, but he's clearly good enough.

[ICB]

Well let's look at some of the names you've listed....

Bradley

An SD over Witter and a win over Holt. Two fighter's who've collectively not really achieved all that much. I'll give Bradley credit for how he set about Nate Campbell but i don't think he excels in anything. Just a good solid, but very beatable fighter imo. Out of everyone on the list, i'd imagine Bradley would be the biggest scalp - but that's not saying much.

Malignaggi

Gained more fame from his losses than he has from his victories. Not beaten anybody of note. Didn't really deserve to beat Ngoudjo. Best win over Lovemore N'Dou. Wow. Then he rematched him and did much worse. Still, managed to blag a free hair cut out of it.

Holt

Managed to KO Torres with his head which to be fair, takes some skills. Otherwise spectacular MD and SD wins over Ben Tackie and D-Hop respectively. He also holds a win over p4p champ Mighty Mike Arnaoutis and actually was responsible for the funniest knockdown i've probably ever seen - Bradley. Belter. Looks a lot like the guy who has his bike nicked in 'Friday', so at least he has marketability on his side.

Alexander

The only name on his resume is an injured, faded Junior Witter who's ability was questionnable to begin with. Alexander clearly has talent - but so does Khan, only Alexander's resume is weaker. If Khan got hardly any credit for boxing Kotelnik silly, why would he get credit for beating Alexander?

Maidana

Lost to Kotelnik. Some say unfairly, some say justifiably. Nearly got chinned by a guy who doesn't really like Boxing in Victor Ortiz. Great fight. Not a great fighter.

Alvarado

Please explain how his record is any better than Salita's or Kotelnik's? How many top 20/30 fighters has he beaten?


It's not that any of the above fighters are bad fighters, because they are obviously not. But i don't see how any of them are that much better than Kotelnik, and Khan didn't get much kudos for that win. Infact he's got pretty much cock all for ko'ing Dimitry Salita inside 76 seconds. He'd have to beat that lot in the same night get any credit on here. That would be a shit hot prizefighter actually.

Well you said all that not me, i would personally give him credit if he beat any of those fighters. Devon Alexander, Timothy Bradley, Lamont Peterson, Kendall Holt, ETC.

Are respected names in the USA, and there a mix of good boxers and good punchers. Dmitriy Salita was not respected and got a gift off a fighter with a 10-2 record, and was floored twice by a fighter with 2 KO's.

Andriy Kotelnik is very mediocre and got a gift off Marcos Rene Maidana, and won his title off one of the worst title holders on modern history. And couldn't even beat the fighter Gavin Rees beat for the title aka Souleymane M'baye.

I gurantee you 100 percent, he would get plenty of respect from people. If he beat any of those fighters above, more so if he beat the top 4 i listed.

I heard he's fighting Zab Judah, thats good step up for him. A fast Southpaw, with some pop who's known in the USA.

There was nothing wrong with Salita as a first defence for Khan. It was his mandatory after all.

A quick look at Calzaghe's record reads quite similarly.

After winning his world title against Eubank, his first defence was against 12-0 Tyler Hughes, who I have never heard of, and who finished his career with 23 wins versus 25 losses. Calzaghe also won in the first round.

Joe then went on to fight Branko Sobot and Juan Carlsos Ferreya, again two complete unknowns to me, who also had very mediocre records. Of course Calzaghe 25-26 years old at this point so basically 3 years or so behind where Khan is already.


Ricky Hatton didn't win a world title until his late twenties and then went on a belt collection against arguably the worst world champ in recent years Carlos Muassa and then moved up to fight Luis Collazo, a fighter who was completely unkown at the time and was expected to be also a shit paper champ, but who most felt beat Ricky.

Since then Ricky has fought a string of paper belt holders and shot former champs in between getting sparked against quality opposition.

Khan's career is well ahead of where either of these two guys were at age 23 and yet these are considered our two finest fighters of this milennium, along with Lennox Lewis who didn't even turn pro until he was older than where Khan is now.

Given that these three represent some of our best ever fighters I just find it staggering that people moan about Khan not stepping up.

He has already achieved more than ANY OTHER 22 YEAR OLD CURRENTLY FIGHTING IN THE WORLD! yet people slate him for not being moved to slowly.

They assess him according to the highest criteria possible and its just ridiculous.

ICB made the thread 'Forget about the Khan fight' to tell us instead how great Kevin Mitchell was against Prescott, a fight where he did indeed perform well, but Mitchell is three years old than Khan and turned professional two years earlier than Khan.

Yet Khan is already a world champ and has a win over a legend in Barrera.

How come everyone isn't jumping on Mitchell for being moved along at a snails pace compared to Amir Khan?

I'm sure he will be defended, with Ice replying he just hasn't had the opportunities Amir has had right Ice?

Bilbo to be honest mate i just comeback from the gym, and im shattered. So i'll just say a quick comment for now, Kevin Mitchell has had injuries plus he hasn't had the Olympic stardom like Amir Khan big difference.

Lastly all im saying is that i want Amir Khan, to atleast fight any of those opponents above. Or even Zab Judah which would be a good step up, but sadly i've heard it could Jose Luis Castillo which would be a joke in all honesty.

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Bilbo you need to learn to read Boxrec better. Tyler Hughes was certainly no Calzaghe title defence

And although I agree there's nothing wrong with Khan's opposition to date, you can't compare those other fighters by age because NONE of them turned pro a "star" like Khan. Without Khan's star credentials he wouldn't have managed a "world" title shot so early or got an old legend in the ring to duff up.

Kotelnik had a fight with Ortiz lined up but Warren offered him more money to fight Khan. It's all about money!!!

12-0 Tyler Hughes wasn't far off. I think his first defence was against a guy who'd only had around 14-15 fights.

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Well you said all that not me, i would personally give him credit if he beat any of those fighters. Devon Alexander, Timothy Bradley, Lamont Peterson, Kendall Holt, ETC.

Are respected names in the USA, and there a mix of good boxers and good punchers. Dmitriy Salita was not respected and got a gift off a fighter with a 10-2 record, and was floored twice by a fighter with 2 KO's.

Andriy Kotelnik is very mediocre and got a gift off Marcos Rene Maidana, and won his title off one of the worst title holders on modern history. And couldn't even beat the fighter Gavin Rees beat for the title aka Souleymane M'baye.

I gurantee you 100 percent, he would get plenty of respect from people. If he beat any of those fighters above, more so if he beat the top 4 i listed.

I heard he's fighting Zab Judah, thats good step up for him. A fast Southpaw, with some pop who's known in the USA.

There was nothing wrong with Salita as a first defence for Khan. It was his mandatory after all.

A quick look at Calzaghe's record reads quite similarly.

After winning his world title against Eubank, his first defence was against 12-0 Tyler Hughes, who I have never heard of, and who finished his career with 23 wins versus 25 losses. Calzaghe also won in the first round.

Joe then went on to fight Branko Sobot and Juan Carlsos Ferreya, again two complete unknowns to me, who also had very mediocre records. Of course Calzaghe 25-26 years old at this point so basically 3 years or so behind where Khan is already.


Ricky Hatton didn't win a world title until his late twenties and then went on a belt collection against arguably the worst world champ in recent years Carlos Muassa and then moved up to fight Luis Collazo, a fighter who was completely unkown at the time and was expected to be also a shit paper champ, but who most felt beat Ricky.

Since then Ricky has fought a string of paper belt holders and shot former champs in between getting sparked against quality opposition.

Khan's career is well ahead of where either of these two guys were at age 23 and yet these are considered our two finest fighters of this milennium, along with Lennox Lewis who didn't even turn pro until he was older than where Khan is now.

Given that these three represent some of our best ever fighters I just find it staggering that people moan about Khan not stepping up.

He has already achieved more than ANY OTHER 22 YEAR OLD CURRENTLY FIGHTING IN THE WORLD! yet people slate him for not being moved to slowly.

They assess him according to the highest criteria possible and its just ridiculous.

ICB made the thread 'Forget about the Khan fight' to tell us instead how great Kevin Mitchell was against Prescott, a fight where he did indeed perform well, but Mitchell is three years old than Khan and turned professional two years earlier than Khan.

Yet Khan is already a world champ and has a win over a legend in Barrera.

How come everyone isn't jumping on Mitchell for being moved along at a snails pace compared to Amir Khan?

I'm sure he will be defended, with Ice replying he just hasn't had the opportunities Amir has had right Ice?

Bilbo to be honest mate i just comeback from the gym, and im shattered. So i'll just say a quick comment for now, Kevin Mitchell has had injuries plus he hasn't had the Olympic stardom like Amir Khan big difference.

Lastly all im saying is that i want Amir Khan, to atleast fight any of those opponents above. Or even Zab Judah which would be a good step up, but sadly i've heard it could Jose Luis Castillo which would be a joke in all honesty.

Lol is your source Skel by any chance?

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Bilbo you need to learn to read Boxrec better. Tyler Hughes was certainly no Calzaghe title defence

And although I agree there's nothing wrong with Khan's opposition to date, you can't compare those other fighters by age because NONE of them turned pro a "star" like Khan. Without Khan's star credentials he wouldn't have managed a "world" title shot so early or got an old legend in the ring to duff up.

Kotelnik had a fight with Ortiz lined up but Warren offered him more money to fight Khan. It's all about money!!!

12-0 Tyler Hughes wasn't far off. I think his first defence was against a guy who'd only had around 14-15 fights.

Yea Branko Sobot or something then he fought that guy, that went the distance with Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, Roberto Duran. And Joe Calzaghe stopped him which in all honesty was pretty good, although im not a fan of Joe Calzaghe's.