Quote Originally Posted by killersheep View Post
Quote Originally Posted by OumaFan View Post
Killer, the point I'm making is that weigh in pic from when he was at 130 he had dried out some, he came into that second JMM fight weighing 144 at the night of the fight. Now when he goes to weigh in at the official weigh in he comes in at about the same weight, 142-144. He's just not drying out any now.

I don't remember what JMM weighed the night of the second Pacquaio fight but I am pretty sure he didn't put on 14 pounds, Manny had started to outgrow the weight while JMM hadn't.

Now of course this doesn't mean he hadn't been on roids before. But I don't see a big difference from the time of the second Marquez fight to now, he's just not drying out now or at least barely drying out.
Right the difference between then and now is about 15 pounds at bruce lee body fat levels in both weigh-ins. JMM went from 130 (his weight in the second PAC fight) to 142 so 12 lbs. Like I said I have to assume that the testing is legit and PAC is on the up and up. BUT, at the same time I can understand where Paulie is coming from and he has a valid point of suspicion no?
I think Ouma is actually arguing that Manny hasn't put nearly as much muscle as that. The weigh in to a fight is two days before the actual fight. Manny used to have to cut weight and dehydrate to make the limit, as evidenced by the fact he would rehydrate well over 140.

So he could move up to light welter without actually gaining any muscle mass in theory, he's simply not having to dehydrate at the weigh in, and therefore both his weigh in weight and actual fight night weight are approximately the same.

My guess is Manny has packed on maybe 6 or 7 lbs of muscle, and the rest is just him not dehydrating.

As to the photo's that were put up of Manny and Marquez at superfeather and then welter, well Marquez's body looks shit compared to Manny's in both pics.

Manny just has a better physique than Marquez and always has. So Marquez looking worse at welter isn't unusual to me, he's simply never been as muscular or defined as Manny.