Malignaggi accuses Pac of Steroid abuse..

[JazMerkin]

Right the difference between then and now is about 15 pounds at bruce lee body fat levels in both weigh-ins. JMM went from 130 (his weight in the second PAC fight) to 142 so 12 lbs. Like I said I have to assume that the testing is legit and PAC is on the up and up. BUT, at the same time I can understand where Paulie is coming from and he has a valid point of suspicion no?

I think Ouma is actually arguing that Manny hasn't put nearly as much muscle as that. The weigh in to a fight is two days before the actual fight. Manny used to have to cut weight and dehydrate to make the limit, as evidenced by the fact he would rehydrate well over 140.

So he could move up to light welter without actually gaining any muscle mass in theory, he's simply not having to dehydrate at the weigh in, and therefore both his weigh in weight and actual fight night weight are approximately the same.

My guess is Manny has packed on maybe 6 or 7 lbs of muscle, and the rest is just him not dehydrating.

As to the photo's that were put up of Manny and Marquez at superfeather and then welter, well Marquez's body looks shit compared to Manny's in both pics.

Manny just has a better physique than Marquez and always has. So Marquez looking worse at welter isn't unusual to me, he's simply never been as muscular or defined as Manny.

Yes, that is what I'm saying.

For what its worth, I'm not even really arguing that he isn't on them, he has to be a candidate along with Bernard, Roy during his move to heavy, and on and on. I wouldn't be surprised by anything and Mosley knew

All I'm saying is I don't think his body change since he moved from 130 up is as dramatic as some would say.

Its clear he was outgrowing 130 and its clear he's not really having to work to make weight anymore, probably not even having to work that hard to make 140, whereas before he was out and out cutting to make 130. He weighed 144 the night of the second Marquez fight, he probably weighed 150 at most the night of the Cotto fight. I can't remember the exact number though.

I think Jones almost certainly was from the jump he did, but I'd say B-Hop isn't simply for how his body looks at different weights. He tends to look just a little paunchy to me at the LHW limit when compared to his MW days & his fights at 170. I don't think that many guys are on them. Only Roy & Shane definitely were imo (& Toney but he obviously washed up down with barrels of beer) & I'll still cling to the conviction that Shane didn't know. Even if he almost certainly did