Why dont fighters clean out divisions before moving up?

[ICB]

I agree with everyone else, but i still think he could of had one more fight at Lightweight against a big name before he moved up, Joan Guzman or Edwin Valero, i'd rather of seen those fights other than ODLH, Ricky Hatton, but of course it doesn't make sense money wise.

[Kev]

I agree with everyone else, but i still think he could of had one more fight at Lightweight against a big name before he moved up, Joan Guzman or Edwin Valero, i'd rather of seen those fights other than ODLH, Ricky Hatton, but of course it doesn't make sense money wise.

Why??

People were massively hyped up for the Hatton fight it was huge, one of the biggest fights involving a British fighter of all time!

How was him facing Hatton not as exciting or challenging as facing Guzman or Valero?

What would beating Guzman or Valero do for Manny's career more than beating a multiple world champ like Oscar or Hatton?

Just leaving money out of it, and imagine you were Pacquaio.

If you could pick your last three fights and win them who would you want on your record?

My guess is you will say Valero, Guzman and Funeka, but everyone living in the real world would rather have wins over De La Hoya, Hatton and Cotto on their record.

It's obviously more than just money. Yes he will make a fortune for fighting Mayweather but whose name would you most like to have on your record with a W next to it? Mayweather, or anyone else from featherweight to lightweight?

[KananKrus]

The original question was.... why don't fighters clean out divisions before moving up?

They do not clean out their divisions, or do not have to, if they have the ability to pursue a bigger game, a greater exploit in higher weight classes. Likewise, if the move will serve to be a financially rewarding endeavor and is a potential to add feathers on their caps.

The fighters who are cleaning out their divisions are mostly the one's that are willing to do so for their convenience. It is mostly but not exclusive to, their inability talent wise, or their lack of confidence for such a move anywhere north or south of their best weight class.

[ICB]

I agree with everyone else, but i still think he could of had one more fight at Lightweight against a big name before he moved up, Joan Guzman or Edwin Valero, i'd rather of seen those fights other than ODLH, Ricky Hatton, but of course it doesn't make sense money wise.

Why??

People were massively hyped up for the Hatton fight it was huge, one of the biggest fights involving a British fighter of all time!

How was him facing Hatton not as exciting or challenging as facing Guzman or Valero?

What would beating Guzman or Valero do for Manny's career more than beating a multiple world champ like Oscar or Hatton?

Just leaving money out of it, and imagine you were Pacquaio.

If you could pick your last three fights and win them who would you want on your record?

My guess is you will say Valero, Guzman and Funeka, but everyone living in the real world would rather have wins over De La Hoya, Hatton and Cotto on their record.

It's obviously more than just money. Yes he will make a fortune for fighting Mayweather but whose name would you most like to have on your record with a W next to it? Mayweather, or anyone else from featherweight to lightweight?

Bilbo its just my opinion that it would of been more exciting, for me to have seen those fights. I never said he made the wrong choice in moving up where did i say that ?

But he did skip the division fighting a weak belt holder in David Diaz, and at that time there was strong rumors about a Edwin Valero vs Manny Pacquiao fight happening.

And everyone on this forum was hyped to see that, because it involved two very exciting fighters especially Edwin Valero who can punch like a mule. As for Joan Guzman yes i agree he's not well known, but as i said i never criticized Manny Pacquiao for not fighting him.

Because Joan Guzman was a horrible style match up for him, and it was a lose/lose situation for Manny Pacquiao, again im not criticizing Manny Pacquiao for not taking any of these fights, im just saying i would of loved to have seen them before he moved up.

[Kirkland Laing]

I agree with everyone else, but i still think he could of had one more fight at Lightweight against a big name before he moved up, Joan Guzman or Edwin Valero, i'd rather of seen those fights other than ODLH, Ricky Hatton, but of course it doesn't make sense money wise.

Why??

People were massively hyped up for the Hatton fight it was huge, one of the biggest fights involving a British fighter of all time!

How was him facing Hatton not as exciting or challenging as facing Guzman or Valero?

What would beating Guzman or Valero do for Manny's career more than beating a multiple world champ like Oscar or Hatton?

Just leaving money out of it, and imagine you were Pacquaio.

If you could pick your last three fights and win them who would you want on your record?

My guess is you will say Valero, Guzman and Funeka, but everyone living in the real world would rather have wins over De La Hoya, Hatton and Cotto on their record.

It's obviously more than just money. Yes he will make a fortune for fighting Mayweather but whose name would you most like to have on your record with a W next to it? Mayweather, or anyone else from featherweight to lightweight?

Bilbo its just my opinion that it would of been more exciting, for me to have seen those fights. I never said he made the wrong choice in moving up where did i say that ?

But he did skip the division fighting a weak belt holder in David Diaz, and at that time there was strong rumors about a Edwin Valero vs Manny Pacquiao fight happening.

And everyone on this forum was hyped to see that, because it involved two very exciting fighters especially Edwin Valero who can punch like a mule. As for Joan Guzman yes i agree he's not well known, but as i said i never criticized Manny Pacquiao for not fighting him.

Because Joan Guzman was a horrible style match up for him, and it was a lose/lose situation for Manny Pacquiao, again im not criticizing Manny Pacquiao for not taking any of these fights, im just saying i would of loved to have seen them before he moved up.

He didn't skip any division, he fought Oscar for $20 million. When you're offered a fight like that you're not going to fanny around taking fights for relative peanuts against people the public haven't heard of. He knew if he beat Oscar he was going to make a mint so he took the fight. Then a guy he'd already beaten twice became the top lightweight, so what's the point in going back to 135 to fight for buttons? What would it prove, especially when he's now fighting two divisions up and knocking out world class welters?

[generalbulldog]

Ray Robinson and Armstrong didn't clean out the lightweight division before they moved on to welterweight. Were they ducking fighters or that they didn't give a shit about it? Behind the heavyweight division, welterweight is where the money and glory is in the lower weight classes.


And seriously who the hell would turn down 20 million dollar paydays to fight Guzman, Valero, Funeka, for 2 million instead of fighting De La Hoya, Hatton, Cotto, Mayweather?

[killersheep]

Cleaning out divisions has lost it's luster because more often than not there are 1-2 of the straps with paper champs that can't bring in money.

Furthermore anyone that says that getting the best fights against big names is not about money they are deluding themselves. PAC himself says "I'm just doing my job" instead of "I only fight the best". This is not a knock on Pacquiao it's just the situation, it's their JOB, at the end of the day who wants to get paid less?

[Dizaster]

Cleaning out divisions has lost it's luster because more often than not there are 1-2 of the straps with paper champs that can't bring in money.

Furthermore anyone that says that getting the best fights against big names is not about money they are deluding themselves. PAC himself says "I'm just doing my job" instead of "I only fight the best". This is not a knock on Pacquiao it's just the situation, it's their JOB, at the end of the day who wants to get paid less?

100% agree..

Fortunately though, and by no coincidence, following the money and big names has led him to the best fighter in the business...