Haye to be trained by Roach?

[ElTerribleMorales]

Roach is a great coach and trainer who understands a fighters strengths and weaknesses, then builds a game plan and training camp around that. As good or better then anyone currently. Would be a good move for Haye, but yea, can't see it either until PAC/PBF. People can hate on him for things he says and maybe have a point, but anyone who questions his abilities to train fighters is justa hater.

IMO is ONE of the best, but it's a bit overdoing it to say he's clear cut #1, when there are guys just as good or better than him (Richardson, Steward, Goosen. etc.)

Did you even read the post? lol

i was agreeing with you bro lol, i was just also stating that there are a couple people around that think that just cause a guy has Roach in his corner he's gonna be unstoppable (mainly the Pac fans lol)

[Youngblood]

IMO is ONE of the best, but it's a bit overdoing it to say he's clear cut #1, when there are guys just as good or better than him (Richardson, Steward, Goosen. etc.)

Did you even read the post? lol

i was agreeing with you bro lol, i was just also stating that there are a couple people around that think that just cause a guy has Roach in his corner he's gonna be unstoppable (mainly the Pac fans lol)

k man guess I read it out of it's intent, my bad. sorry.

Both him and Richardson I think have a keen eye for developing fighters for specific opponents. It isn't going to work every time, ofc, but they do put a good game plan together based on what that fighter brings to the tbl. Even in the short time we saw Khan fight against MAB you could tell that was the work of Roach, working with what he had. You got a guy with great speed and mobility who is kinda chinny, you keep him outside and use range and work angles. Still not sure what woulda happened down the stretch there...

Richardson gets high marks from me as well for busting Margo's cheating ass, by looking at every detail and refusing to just accept "They are ok" because they were signed off. This isn't the first time he did it, so yea, high marks for that alone. Helping fix boxing as a sport, by shining a light on it's ugly side and exposing it.

[El Kabong]

Roach could help out a couple heavyweights, but I think he's got a full plate with: Pac, Kahn, and Rigondeaux those guys are at or near top class and they will deserve full attention from Roach, the HEAD trainer. If Roach is brought in as an assistant (which I doubt he would do) he may be able to provide SOME help.

Adam Booth is no different than Joe Santiago

[ElTerribleMorales]

Did you even read the post? lol

i was agreeing with you bro lol, i was just also stating that there are a couple people around that think that just cause a guy has Roach in his corner he's gonna be unstoppable (mainly the Pac fans lol)

k man guess I read it out of it's intent, my bad. sorry.

Both him and Richardson I think have a keen eye for developing fighters for specific opponents. It isn't going to work every time, ofc, but they do put a good game plan together based on what that fighter brings to the tbl. Even in the short time we saw Khan fight against MAB you could tell that was the work of Roach, working with what he had. You got a guy with great speed and mobility who is kinda chinny, you keep him outside and use range and work angles. Still not sure what woulda happened down the stretch there...

Richardson gets high marks from me as well for busting Margo's cheating ass, by looking at every detail and refusing to just accept "They are ok" because they were signed off. This isn't the first time he did it, so yea, high marks for that alone. Helping fix boxing as a sport, by shining a light on it's ugly side and exposing it.

agree, i think the main reason that Richardson and Roach have so much success is because they don't really try to change a fighters style, they take what they have and alter small things to make the most of what they have to offer, look at Manny he's still an aggressive come forward type fighter, thing is he paces himself now, isn't as careless and sharpened his offense making him less vulnerable, Shane still looked like Shane when he took apart Margarito same as Hopkins did against Pavlik, that's why they have more success with a wider variety of styles and types of fighters than lets say Mayweather Sr and Steward

[El Kabong]

Well the thing about Steward is that he gets fighters to use their natural physical advantages.


It's amazing to me that Ronnie Sheilds and Tommy Brooks don't have any heavyweights to speak of, they are good trainers...not great but good, experienced, and they could really help someone just starting out or someone who has reached contender status.

[Kev]

Do you guys remember when Dan Birmingham was the hottest trainer around, I think he even won a trainer of the year award in the run up to the Lacy Calzaghe fight.

Havn't heard shit from him since, is he still even training fighters?

[Cressa121]

Do you guys remember when Dan Birmingham was the hottest trainer around, I think he even won a trainer of the year award in the run up to the Lacy Calzaghe fight.

Havn't heard shit from him since, is he still even training fighters?

Think he still trains Lacy and Winky Wright. Not sure though

[Nameless]

Do you guys remember when Dan Birmingham was the hottest trainer around, I think he even won a trainer of the year award in the run up to the Lacy Calzaghe fight.

Havn't heard shit from him since, is he still even training fighters?

Has he ever been considered that hot? I never saw nobody praising him that much (personally). I always considered him to be a good trainer but not a nuclear force to be reckon with. He still train Winky, not sure for Lacy though. He also trained Dawson at some point but I don't know if it's still the case. I discovered he has a myspace:MySpace - Dan Birmingham - 49 - Male - SAINT PETERSBURG, Florida - myspace.com/danbirminghamboxing

and perhaps an article dating from last july that can tell a bit about what he was about at that moment, guess things changed a bit in the last 5 months but it will give you an idea:
Interview: Dan Birmingham’s St. Petersburg Stable

[The Congressman]

Roach is one busy mofo. I don't blame him. His parkinsons is not going away - it will get worst medically speaking, and he's not getting any younger.

[DaxxKahn]

Interesting on how this would play out...Would Haye fully commit to whatever Roach says and follow him or would he try to run things his way and cause Freddie aggravation? Roach has enough guys to occupy his time and would end up dis-banning the relationship if it happens....

I am not sure how Haye is outside the ring with his camp to make a real prediction...

If it did work out though it would be a great move for Haye.....I still don't seem him beating Vitali but still a good move for him

[Fenster]

Interesting on how this would play out...Would Haye fully commit to whatever Roach says and follow him or would he try to run things his way and cause Freddie aggravation? Roach has enough guys to occupy his time and would end up dis-banning the relationship if it happens....

I am not sure how Haye is outside the ring with his camp to make a real prediction...

If it did work out though it would be a great move for Haye.....I still don't seem him beating Vitali but still a good move for him

Why would he hire/pay Roach if he didn't want his input? I don't think Haye is mentally ill.

[DaxxKahn]

Interesting on how this would play out...Would Haye fully commit to whatever Roach says and follow him or would he try to run things his way and cause Freddie aggravation? Roach has enough guys to occupy his time and would end up dis-banning the relationship if it happens....

I am not sure how Haye is outside the ring with his camp to make a real prediction...

If it did work out though it would be a great move for Haye.....I still don't seem him beating Vitali but still a good move for him

Why would he hire/pay Roach if he didn't want his input? I don't think Haye is mentally ill.

You would be amazed the fighters that insist on telling the trainers what to do...

I was really speaking more on the lines of attitude...Not using Freddie as an employee but actually letting Freddie run the show in camp....