Manny Pacquiao is Not on Steroids or PEDS... Plain and Very Simple

[miron_lang]

Not sure when I said he was guilty

WE DON'T KNOW. ABOUT ANYONE.

Sorry for the caps but I thought I was clear earlier when I said "just like we have no idea about any fighter" but I guess I wasn't. We just don't know who's on what. Its about as simple as that. I'm not a "hater", I'm xadumod.

And yeah passing tests doesn't mean you haven't done anything, I'm sorry it just doesn't.

So Pacquiao continuous to win and retires without ever being positive. 25 yrs later somebdy dig an Article with Paulie and Sr' accusing Pacquiao of roiding with their opinion as basis. It goes on in History that "We dont know if Pacquiao used illegal substance or not"

Did Henry Armstrong used illegal substance?

How about Floyd?


ok ok i get it "We dont know" the only thing we can be sure of is if he tested positive then he's using it. Now if he's negative all the time we still dont know becase there might be an imaginary undetected substance out there that pac is not sharing.

So hes' not Guilty. Is Pac innocent until proven guilty?

ok ok "We just dont know"

[OumaFan]

Either he's got an undetected substance or he's simply doing it under the guidance of someone who knows what they're doing and knows how to cycle correctly and avoid tests. These tests are not as foolproof as you're making them out to be.

Man, I'm a big fan actually and I'm not interested in making him out to be guilty until proven innocent, but I'm not naive. PED's are too widespread to think there's just NO WAY my favorite fighter could be on them, he's a nice guy, he can't have possibly have done that, no. Lots of nice guys are probably on them.

He's innocent till proven guilty. But articles titled "Manny Pacquio is not on Steroids or PEDS...Plain and Very Simple" are a joke. Period. Just like it would be a joke for some Floyd obsessive to come out with an article titled "Floyd Mayweather is not on Steroids or PEDs...Plain and Very simple." Or any boxer or any athlete, there's no way you can know that. Suspicion in these times are reasonable, it doesn't mean you should slander a guy saying I know he is on them if you don't have any evidence, but there's always a chance.

Who cares what Paulie says anyway?

[miron_lang]

Either he's got an undetected substance or he's simply doing it under the guidance of someone who knows what they're doing and knows how to cycle correctly and avoid tests. These tests are not as foolproof as you're making them out to be.

Man, I'm a big fan actually and I'm not interested in making him out to be guilty until proven innocent, but I'm not naive. PED's are too widespread to think there's just NO WAY my favorite fighter could be on them, he's a nice guy, he can't have possibly have done that, no. Lots of nice guys are probably on them.

He's innocent till proven guilty. But articles titled "Manny Pacquio is not on Steroids or PEDS...Plain and Very Simple" are a joke. Period. Just like it would be a joke for some Floyd obsessive to come out with an article titled "Floyd Mayweather is not on Steroids or PEDs...Plain and Very simple." Or any boxer or any athlete, there's no way you can know that. Suspicion in these times are reasonable, it doesn't mean you should slander a guy saying I know he is on them if you don't have any evidence, but there's always a chance.

Who cares what Paulie says anyway?

That's GOOD enough. In a way these accusations is a compliment for Pacquiao.

He's TOP 10 at least ALL TIME if he beats Floyd. Even Floyd didnt get this kind of attention.

[CFH]

Not sure when I said he was guilty

WE DON'T KNOW. ABOUT ANYONE.

Sorry for the caps but I thought I was clear earlier when I said "just like we have no idea about any fighter" but I guess I wasn't. We just don't know who's on what. Its about as simple as that. I'm not a "hater", I'm xadumod.

And yeah passing tests doesn't mean you haven't done anything, I'm sorry it just doesn't.

So Pacquiao continuous to win and retires without ever being positive. 25 yrs later somebdy dig an Article with Paulie and Sr' accusing Pacquiao of roiding with their opinion as basis. It goes on in History that "We dont know if Pacquiao used illegal substance or not"

Did Henry Armstrong used illegal substance?

How about Floyd?


ok ok i get it "We dont know" the only thing we can be sure of is if he tested positive then he's using it. Now if he's negative all the time we still dont know becase there might be an imaginary undetected substance out there that pac is not sharing.

So hes' not Guilty. Is Pac innocent until proven guilty?

ok ok "We just dont know"

It's pretty easy to understand. We live in an era where steroid (and like substances) use is prolific amongst elite level athletes of all sports. It would be naive to assume boxing is any different from the other major sports. In fact, if history is any indicator boxing might well be worse than any of the others. Now, none of this means Manny Pacquiao or Floyd Mayweather or Shane Mosley (ok, scratch that last one) are using illegal drugs, but in this environment there is no certainty regarding anyone IMO. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that any high-level athlete had been caught.

[miron_lang]

It's pretty easy to understand. We live in an era where steroid (and like substances) use is prolific amongst elite level athletes of all sports. It would be naive to assume boxing is any different from the other major sports. In fact, if history is any indicator boxing might well be worse than any of the others. Now, none of this means Manny Pacquiao or Floyd Mayweather or Shane Mosley (ok, scratch that last one) are using illegal drugs, but in this environment there is no certainty regarding anyone IMO. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that any high-level athlete had been caught.

I agree.

Im not a lawyer but i dont think it's healthy for a professional fighter to accuse someone using his opinion as basis plus he's getting media coverage. Those articles might be treated as facts 25 yrs from now.

If that is not defamation I dont know what is.

[ross]

I still think he took something, he has an unnaturally cut physique for someone who was so small, regardless of the small incraments he went up by.

The most suspiscious jump in weight is between the first Morales loss and the rematch.

Being such a hero to a whole nation with not much else to be happy about, someone from the philipines could have approached Manny and offered him some "help" to be stronger, although he weighed in a pound lighter at the weigh in, he weighed 5 pounds heavier on the night, how did he all of a sudden have bigger muscle mass to hydrate in the same weight?

[Pavlik]

We have guys like Joan Guzman who was a bantamweight who now weighs in at 150 at fightnight as a lightweight so is he on steroids?
They'll do everything to discredit PAC, FACT

[Gandalf]

Why so defensive about something so few on this forum are even suggesting? Silly thread.

[Gandalf]

We have guys like Joan Guzman who was a bantamweight who now weighs in at 150 at fightnight as a lightweight so is he on steroids?
They'll do everything to discredit PAC, FACT

Who exactly?

[Gandalf]

I agree with other posters that athletes are likely to indulge in something if they can get away with it, but we don't really know regarding Manny so we shouldn't jump to conclusions. Personally, I think Xaduboxer takes a lot of drugs. A visit to a psychoanalyst and a check on medical history would prove this supsicion.

[Mar]

We have guys like Joan Guzman who was a bantamweight who now weighs in at 150 at fightnight as a lightweight so is he on steroids?
They'll do everything to discredit PAC, FACT

Lol this is funny, cause we all know full credit has been given to floyd for what he's done......(in big letters too, i just don't know how to do all that stuff) both guys deserve tons no matter the outcome. I'd give anything to just have these guys fight everyone sit back have a couple of bowls and after say great fight and let's look forward to the next one.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Interesting read. Im glad the author of this thread put the effort into posting all the info.

Im actually keen to learn how fighters blow up in weight in between fights... Escpecially those who go up through the weight classes (Ray Leonard, Hearns, Dela Hoya, Roy Jones etc... Even James Tony )

I'd actually be keen to take it as far as to see of there is a certain trend (relation to height, age, weight class etc.)

[milmascaras1]

who knows if pacquiao is on steroids or not. the fact is that we will probably never know. boxing is the most corrupt sport on earth imo, and just like baseball did, boxing officials might know some of their fighters are on steroids but just turn the other cheek acting like they know nothing because boxing attendance has been waning for the last few years. for one, i read somewhere that they (boxing officials) don't administer blood tests and only check the fighters urine. in boxing we all know anybody can be bought from these rich and powerful promoters and high ranking officials.

[Master]

It is natural and he is innocent until proven guilty. End of story.

[Violent Demise]

I still think he took something, he has an unnaturally cut physique for someone who was so small, regardless of the small incraments he went up by.

The most suspiscious jump in weight is between the first Morales loss and the rematch.

Being such a hero to a whole nation with not much else to be happy about, someone from the philipines could have approached Manny and offered him some "help" to be stronger, although he weighed in a pound lighter at the weigh in, he weighed 5 pounds heavier on the night, how did he all of a sudden have bigger muscle mass to hydrate in the same weight?

No doubt. No doubt about it. It's common knowledge Pacquiao has a serious crack problem. Is it really such a shock he would take other type of narcotic?
He clearly has the money to be able to flush his system completely.