Parallel between Roy Jones Jr. and Floyd Mayweather Jr.

[15rounder]

Can you think of any fighters that Pac-man has ducked in the past? He basically ran through Mexico...and if Floyd wasn't in the picture, I guarantee his next bout would be against Mosely. There are a few fighters that wanted a piece of Floyd where he went and hid under his couch because he wasn't going to be the bigger man. For me, it just boils down to this...After all the big fights that Pac-man has been in, most recently, being able to take punches from Cotto for 12 rounds, I don't see him being hurt by ANYTHING that Floyd throws at him. It's no secret that Pacman is willing to take a punch to give 3 of them back. Floyd is going to have to fight at some point in this match. I think it will be the first time since his first fight with Castillo that we will see Floyd endure some pain. Manny is used to it. I wish this fight was tomorrow

[hitmanhatton]

margarito took those shots from cotto also.... did you see mosley knocking him out as he did in his very next fight ?

dont think floyd cant hurt pac... would be foolish to believe this

[15rounder]

I'm not saying pac-man won't feel anything. He will. But its not going to be enough to slow him down. And Margarito is no Pac man. Not to mention how much was taken off Cottos punches in those later rounds because of the brick plaster Margarito had in his gloves. Pac man is in MUCH better physical condition and at a much better point in his career. I did not see near as much slow down in Pac man after round 7 against Cotto as I did in Margarito. If this fight is a toss up after 10 rounds, Floyd is going to have to fight Manny's fight in the last 2 rounds. Manny will leave everything in that ring

[hitmanhatton]

I'm not saying pac-man won't feel anything. He will. But its not going to be enough to slow him down. And Margarito is no Pac man. Not to mention how much was taken off Cottos punches in those later rounds because of the brick plaster Margarito had in his gloves. Pac man is in MUCH better physical condition and at a much better point in his career. I did not see near as much slow down in Pac man after round 7 against Cotto as I did in Margarito. If this fight is a toss up after 10 rounds, Floyd is going to have to fight Manny's fight in the last 2 rounds. Manny will leave everything in that ring

you being serious, margarito upped the pressure after the 7th not slow down, i personally think floyd shuts his offence down, hell have pac looking to roach for answers, the fact cotto seems to confuse pac in the first round with his jab and boxing was quite suprising... cotto is not as disciplined as floyd and this is what cost him trying to war with pac

[15rounder]

Upped the pressure but mobility wise was much slower...U can only shut down pacmans offense for so long. Even punches to the shoulders and arms accumulate and start to hurt which will open floyd up. Hes going to get something in. Ur argument for Manny's confusion against Cotto in the first round is a good one. But I can make the same argument for both of these fighters when they fought De la hoya. Oscar had no trouble finding floyd. It wasn't the prettiest thing in the world but it was the first time I saw the makings of a mark up on Floyds face. I'm not sure if De la hoya landed 10 punches against pac man. Complete destruction.

[hitmanhatton]

Upped the pressure but mobility wise was much slower...U can only shut down pacmans offense for so long. Even punches to the shoulders and arms accumulate and start to hurt which will open floyd up. Hes going to get something in. Ur argument for Manny's confusion against Cotto in the first round is a good one. But I can make the same argument for both of these fighters when they fought De la hoya. Oscar had no trouble finding floyd. It wasn't the prettiest thing in the world but it was the first time I saw the makings of a mark up on Floyds face. I'm not sure if De la hoya landed 10 punches against pac man. Complete destruction.

DLH was a ghost at 147 ... he hadnt made the weight in years... you can really compare the two, the jab of DLH gave floyd trouble ... pac doesnt really have that weapon in his arsenal

a thing that alot of the pac fans miss is that styles make fights just because pac can beat someone floyd has beat in lesser rounds or whatever it doesnt prove he can beat floyd because the way pac fights in my opinion plays right in to his hand, also he doesnt make enough adjustments mid fight for me

[15rounder]

This is where we disagree. I do agree that styles make fights. But pac mans punches hurt. And I think Floyd's style is pretty good for Pac man. Floyd likes to sit in the corner in his Philly Shell defense and look for openings while his opponents look for an opening to punch through. Pac man isn't going to look, he's gonna feel around for an opening...with his fists. I keep saying that something is going to get through. Every once in a while, Floyd will have to poke his head up and try to punch and that's when the fight will start. And are you seriously telling me that Roach won't make mid fight adjustments to win this fight? Seriously?

[jahmez]

a thing that alot of the pac fans miss is that styles make fights

I totally agree with this statement but alot of Mayweather fans miss it as well. "Mayweather will do what Marquez did but better" is something that I hear over and over again. Styles do make fights but fighters also employ styles in their own ways. Sure Mayweather and Marquez are both counter-punchers, but the comparisons end here. At these higher weights Mayweather chooses to make his opponents miss more times than pay, sometimes waiting to shoulder roll counter right when he has nowhere to go. Marquez, however, has both hands up looking to immediately reply with a mix of hooks and angled uppercuts. Mayweather's footwork is also geared for mobility where Marquez builds a much more solid base for added power. Mayweather chooses to avoid exchanges where Marquez will sometimes bite down and also engage. Mayweather also uses a number of different stances. One that springs to mind is where he raises and turns his rear heel forward, drops his hands and uses his head as bait. If his opponent jabs he pulls back and counters with a straight right and if not he leads with a Hopkins style (minus the warhead ) leaping straight right, smothers or ducks and moves to either side. When Mayweather's hands are up look for the feinted jabs and lying eyes to the body before the left hook. I feel these are not only indications of Mayweather's superior depth but are also, as of yet, unexploited habits.

Two counter-punchers from two different schools.

[salty trunks]

Disagree with the thread starter. I think Floyd came back only for the Pac fight because of the money it represents and he doesnt see Pac as the threat that a lot of us do.

The young guys are different now in boxing. Legacy is not as motivating to them as making 30 million dollars so Floyd is motivated by money and Pac represents the biggest payday for him. I dont think either is being pushed into anything and Mayweather wants the fight just as badly, but for reasons that are different than what you would expect.

Floyd has been involved in boxing for a long time at the higher level whereas Pac was kind of like a blue collar worker for some time. He is fine in his position and allowing his handlers to control his fights whereas Floyd wants to think he is in control of both his business and fighting side of his matters.

[sumkalambay]

it's gonna be a close fight and i don't see a knockout. i think floyd knows that he won't win the fight by coasting like he has in recent years.