Parallel between Roy Jones Jr. and Floyd Mayweather Jr.

[hitmanhatton]

I'm not saying pac-man won't feel anything. He will. But its not going to be enough to slow him down. And Margarito is no Pac man. Not to mention how much was taken off Cottos punches in those later rounds because of the brick plaster Margarito had in his gloves. Pac man is in MUCH better physical condition and at a much better point in his career. I did not see near as much slow down in Pac man after round 7 against Cotto as I did in Margarito. If this fight is a toss up after 10 rounds, Floyd is going to have to fight Manny's fight in the last 2 rounds. Manny will leave everything in that ring

you being serious, margarito upped the pressure after the 7th not slow down, i personally think floyd shuts his offence down, hell have pac looking to roach for answers, the fact cotto seems to confuse pac in the first round with his jab and boxing was quite suprising... cotto is not as disciplined as floyd and this is what cost him trying to war with pac

[15rounder]

Upped the pressure but mobility wise was much slower...U can only shut down pacmans offense for so long. Even punches to the shoulders and arms accumulate and start to hurt which will open floyd up. Hes going to get something in. Ur argument for Manny's confusion against Cotto in the first round is a good one. But I can make the same argument for both of these fighters when they fought De la hoya. Oscar had no trouble finding floyd. It wasn't the prettiest thing in the world but it was the first time I saw the makings of a mark up on Floyds face. I'm not sure if De la hoya landed 10 punches against pac man. Complete destruction.

[hitmanhatton]

Upped the pressure but mobility wise was much slower...U can only shut down pacmans offense for so long. Even punches to the shoulders and arms accumulate and start to hurt which will open floyd up. Hes going to get something in. Ur argument for Manny's confusion against Cotto in the first round is a good one. But I can make the same argument for both of these fighters when they fought De la hoya. Oscar had no trouble finding floyd. It wasn't the prettiest thing in the world but it was the first time I saw the makings of a mark up on Floyds face. I'm not sure if De la hoya landed 10 punches against pac man. Complete destruction.

DLH was a ghost at 147 ... he hadnt made the weight in years... you can really compare the two, the jab of DLH gave floyd trouble ... pac doesnt really have that weapon in his arsenal

a thing that alot of the pac fans miss is that styles make fights just because pac can beat someone floyd has beat in lesser rounds or whatever it doesnt prove he can beat floyd because the way pac fights in my opinion plays right in to his hand, also he doesnt make enough adjustments mid fight for me

[15rounder]

This is where we disagree. I do agree that styles make fights. But pac mans punches hurt. And I think Floyd's style is pretty good for Pac man. Floyd likes to sit in the corner in his Philly Shell defense and look for openings while his opponents look for an opening to punch through. Pac man isn't going to look, he's gonna feel around for an opening...with his fists. I keep saying that something is going to get through. Every once in a while, Floyd will have to poke his head up and try to punch and that's when the fight will start. And are you seriously telling me that Roach won't make mid fight adjustments to win this fight? Seriously?

[hitmanhatton]

did he against marquez? i remember him just trying to throw more and hope he did enough for the decision, roach can tell him all he likes, he isnt the one in there... i havent see anything to suggest that pac can make adjustments mid fight to change the outcome

floyd wont just sit in his shell if he starts to get tagged... he isnt a one trick pony ... far from it

[15rounder]

U just said that Manny was confused by Cotto but ended up planting him on his back. That adjustment took one round. And as for hiding under his guard and poking his head up. That's all he's done since he beat Gatti. He's going to rely on judges rather than his fists. And as for the pacman marquez fight, he's a much more balanced fighter and much more accurate puncher now

[hitmanhatton]

more a change made by cotto when he tried to come in and manhandle pac

judah fight ? put it this way excessive agression hasnt worked before why should it work now.... the kind of fighter to beat floyd is someone with a good and high work rate... maybe paul williams

[ICB]

This is where we disagree. I do agree that styles make fights. But pac mans punches hurt. And I think Floyd's style is pretty good for Pac man. Floyd likes to sit in the corner in his Philly Shell defense and look for openings while his opponents look for an opening to punch through. Pac man isn't going to look, he's gonna feel around for an opening...with his fists. I keep saying that something is going to get through. Every once in a while, Floyd will have to poke his head up and try to punch and that's when the fight will start. And are you seriously telling me that Roach won't make mid fight adjustments to win this fight? Seriously?

Yes style do make fights thats why a shot MAB, did even make the improved Manny Pacquiao look quite bad. Because he boxed on the backfoot counter punching, the only problem is that he was far too cautious and too shot at that point.

JMM also IMO beat Manny Pacquiao twice, because he counter punched and boxed on the backfoot. And also Erik Morales beat Manny Pacquiao by boxing on the backfoot and counter punching, are you noticing a pattern here ?

Floyd Mayweather Jr is a better boxer on the backfoot, and a better counter puncher than any of those guys above. You say DeMarcus Corley wobbled Floyd Mayweather Jr, well Oscar Larios moving up two weightclass wobbled Manny Pacquiao aswell.

The fact is i think you can only count on one hand, the amount of times Floyd Mayweather Jr has been hurt. Despite what anyone thinks the guy is almost a perfect fighter, and i honestly don't think he gets enough credit for the JMM win.

Sure JMM wasn't at his best moving up, but because it was so one sided would it have even mattered ? Floyd Mayweather Jr was also better at lower weightclasses, especially at Super Featherweight.

Lastly im taking Floyd Mayweather Jr by decision, i like Manny Pacquiao and i think he is an awesome fighter. But i think people are way too much on the Manny Pacquiao bandwagon, and they are forgetting that style wise Floyd Mayweather Jr is everything Manny Pacquiao struggles against.

[salty trunks]

This is where we disagree. I do agree that styles make fights. But pac mans punches hurt. And I think Floyd's style is pretty good for Pac man. Floyd likes to sit in the corner in his Philly Shell defense and look for openings while his opponents look for an opening to punch through. Pac man isn't going to look, he's gonna feel around for an opening...with his fists. I keep saying that something is going to get through. Every once in a while, Floyd will have to poke his head up and try to punch and that's when the fight will start. And are you seriously telling me that Roach won't make mid fight adjustments to win this fight? Seriously?

Yes style do make fights thats why a shot MAB, did even make the improved Manny Pacquiao look quite bad. Because he boxed on the backfoot counter punching, the only problem is that he was far too cautious and too shot at that point.

JMM also IMO beat Manny Pacquiao twice, because he counter punched and boxed on the backfoot. And also Erik Morales beat Manny Pacquiao by boxing on the backfoot and counter punching, are you noticing a pattern here ?

Floyd Mayweather Jr is a better boxer on the backfoot, and a better counter puncher than any of those guys above. You say DeMarcus Corley wobbled Floyd Mayweather Jr, well Oscar Larios moving up two weightclass wobbled Manny Pacquiao aswell.

The fact is i think you can only count on one hand, the amount of times Floyd Mayweather Jr has been hurt. Despite what anyone thinks the guy is almost a perfect fighter, and i honestly don't think he gets enough credit for the JMM win.

Sure JMM wasn't at his best moving up, but because it was so one sided would it have even mattered ? Floyd Mayweather Jr was also better at lower weightclasses, especially at Super Featherweight.

Lastly im taking Floyd Mayweather Jr by decision, i like Manny Pacquiao and i think he is an awesome fighter. But i think people are way too much on the Manny Pacquiao bandwagon, and they are forgetting that style wise Floyd Mayweather Jr is everything Manny Pacquiao struggles against.

Excellent post, couldnt agree more.

[C-Lo]

I see some similiarities here. Granted Mayweather is much smarter and has and will continue to manage his career much better. But the big parallel I see is that Floyd is now basically being forced into a fight with Pac-man. He has never, and never would have sought this out on his own. The public is demanding it. This is the very same thing that happened when Roy Jones HAD to fight Tarver. It was at this point that Jones was exposed and started getting his rolled every other fight. It's not something that would happen to Floyd. If he loses, I think we'll just hear excuses. But for the first time, Floyd is being forced into a fight with someone he wants nothing to do with. I just think the paralels are interesting

No question Floyd doesn't have the greatest resume...but you can make the case that Manny is taking this fight because the market demands it as well. His last three fights where cherry picked by Roach and suited his strengths and revealed the glaring weaknesses of his opponents. You very well can see the Pac momentum being halted in it's tracks by a Floyd boxing clinic.

Seriously? De La Hoya to Hatton to Cotto was "cherry picking?"

De La Hoya was weight drained on fight night but all the hyping and pre-fight predictions all thought that Manny was going to get smoked. People even thought the fight was a joke because the size difference was too much. That is not "cherry picking." Then he fought the lineal champ at 140 in Hatton, who had never lost in the weight division who also looked good in his last fight against Malignaggi. Again, not "cherry picking." Then Miguel Cotto? I'm not even going to need to explain this one, but Pac fought guys that were at one point WAY TOO big to even fathom a fight against them and beat them convincingly.

[Andre]

This is where we disagree. I do agree that styles make fights. But pac mans punches hurt. And I think Floyd's style is pretty good for Pac man. Floyd likes to sit in the corner in his Philly Shell defense and look for openings while his opponents look for an opening to punch through. Pac man isn't going to look, he's gonna feel around for an opening...with his fists. I keep saying that something is going to get through. Every once in a while, Floyd will have to poke his head up and try to punch and that's when the fight will start. And are you seriously telling me that Roach won't make mid fight adjustments to win this fight? Seriously?

Yes style do make fights thats why a shot MAB, did even make the improved Manny Pacquiao look quite bad. Because he boxed on the backfoot counter punching, the only problem is that he was far too cautious and too shot at that point.

JMM also IMO beat Manny Pacquiao twice, because he counter punched and boxed on the backfoot. And also Erik Morales beat Manny Pacquiao by boxing on the backfoot and counter punching, are you noticing a pattern here ?

Floyd Mayweather Jr is a better boxer on the backfoot, and a better counter puncher than any of those guys above. You say DeMarcus Corley wobbled Floyd Mayweather Jr, well Oscar Larios moving up two weightclass wobbled Manny Pacquiao aswell.

The fact is i think you can only count on one hand, the amount of times Floyd Mayweather Jr has been hurt. Despite what anyone thinks the guy is almost a perfect fighter, and i honestly don't think he gets enough credit for the JMM win.

Sure JMM wasn't at his best moving up, but because it was so one sided would it have even mattered ? Floyd Mayweather Jr was also better at lower weightclasses, especially at Super Featherweight.

Lastly im taking Floyd Mayweather Jr by decision, i like Manny Pacquiao and i think he is an awesome fighter. But i think people are way too much on the Manny Pacquiao bandwagon, and they are forgetting that style wise Floyd Mayweather Jr is everything Manny Pacquiao struggles against.

Excellent post, couldnt agree more.

Me too, its worth bumping it across into the next page.

[jahmez]

a thing that alot of the pac fans miss is that styles make fights

I totally agree with this statement but alot of Mayweather fans miss it as well. "Mayweather will do what Marquez did but better" is something that I hear over and over again. Styles do make fights but fighters also employ styles in their own ways. Sure Mayweather and Marquez are both counter-punchers, but the comparisons end here. At these higher weights Mayweather chooses to make his opponents miss more times than pay, sometimes waiting to shoulder roll counter right when he has nowhere to go. Marquez, however, has both hands up looking to immediately reply with a mix of hooks and angled uppercuts. Mayweather's footwork is also geared for mobility where Marquez builds a much more solid base for added power. Mayweather chooses to avoid exchanges where Marquez will sometimes bite down and also engage. Mayweather also uses a number of different stances. One that springs to mind is where he raises and turns his rear heel forward, drops his hands and uses his head as bait. If his opponent jabs he pulls back and counters with a straight right and if not he leads with a Hopkins style (minus the warhead ) leaping straight right, smothers or ducks and moves to either side. When Mayweather's hands are up look for the feinted jabs and lying eyes to the body before the left hook. I feel these are not only indications of Mayweather's superior depth but are also, as of yet, unexploited habits.

Two counter-punchers from two different schools.

[Snakey]

15rounder is pretty talented by the sound of it, he can type while he hugs pacmans nuts. If you keep hanging onto pacs nuts mate, pac wont make weight

[p4pking]

The initial post just makes it evident that you are praying for Mayweather to lose. If you wan't to break it down and make your case for Manny winning that's one thing; but to attempt to draw a comparison between this scenario and Roy Jones fighting Tarver and losing his form entirely since then, it's completely ridiculous. For one thing Roy Jones didn't even have to fight Taver whatsoever, and was clearly adversly impacted by dropping down in weight to do so. Mayweather Pacquiao is in a completely different league as far as public demand. Mayweather is also clearly thought to be more comfortable at 147, where the fight will take place.

[salty trunks]

Disagree with the thread starter. I think Floyd came back only for the Pac fight because of the money it represents and he doesnt see Pac as the threat that a lot of us do.

The young guys are different now in boxing. Legacy is not as motivating to them as making 30 million dollars so Floyd is motivated by money and Pac represents the biggest payday for him. I dont think either is being pushed into anything and Mayweather wants the fight just as badly, but for reasons that are different than what you would expect.

Floyd has been involved in boxing for a long time at the higher level whereas Pac was kind of like a blue collar worker for some time. He is fine in his position and allowing his handlers to control his fights whereas Floyd wants to think he is in control of both his business and fighting side of his matters.