The harsh reality of what Pacquiao was trying to do... before Floyd called him out.

[The Congressman]

Point #1: Human Growth Hormone (HGH) in ONLY detected via a blood test.


Point #2: urine tests are absolutely useless in detecting Human Growth Hormone. So, STFU about Pacquiao agreeing to unlimited urine tests. They don't mean anything.


Point #3: it takes anywhere from 12 hours to 48 hours (at most 72 hours) for discontinuing HGH use for it not to show up in blood tests.



Point #4: Pacquiao stated that agreeing to 3 blood tests (when first signing the fight, then 30 days before, then immediately after the fight). He claimed that this is sufficient to prove he is clean. It is not.


Imagine this scenario....




Jan-6 : Fight is signed / Press conference
Jan-7 : Blood test done. Pacquiao tests clean. (obviously)
Jan-8 : HGH injection
Jan-9: HGH injection
Jan-10: HGH injection
Jan-11: HGH injection
Jan-12: HGH injection
Jan-13: HGH injection
Jan-14: HGH injection
Jan-15: HGH injection
Jan-16: HGH injection
Jan-17: HGH injection
Jan-18: HGH injection
Jan-19: HGH injection
Jan-20: HGH injection
Jan-21: HGH injection
Jan-22: HGH injection
Jan-23: HGH injection
Jan-24: HGH injection
Jan-25: HGH injection
Jan-26: HGH injection
Jan-27: HGH injection
Jan-28: HGH injection
Jan-29: HGH injection
Jan-30: HGH injection
Jan-31: HGH injection

You're not very bright are ya?

[AdamGB]

Neither are you if you can't counter any of the points he's made with anything other than a childish insult. <3

[generalbulldog]

This is a good thread. You have the Pac and Hatton groupies going at each other in here. Where's Violent Demise when you need him?

[AdamGB]

There's something like 3 people in this thread, I am curious as to which ones are Hatton fanboys?

[Nameless]

Pac's not a cheater yet, he just raises suspicion for obvious reasons. Let's see and wait what will be the result of all that circus first once we'll have the final bell about if he accepts or not. To say that he's a cheater yet is a nonsense just as much as those claiming the blood tests are a joke to ask.

[Zilla]

Point #1: Human Growth Hormone (HGH) in ONLY detected via a blood test.


Point #2: urine tests are absolutely useless in detecting Human Growth Hormone. So, STFU about Pacquiao agreeing to unlimited urine tests. They don't mean anything.


Point #3: it takes anywhere from 12 hours to 48 hours (at most 72 hours) for discontinuing HGH use for it not to show up in blood tests.



Point #4: Pacquiao stated that agreeing to 3 blood tests (when first signing the fight, then 30 days before, then immediately after the fight). He claimed that this is sufficient to prove he is clean. It is not.


Imagine this scenario....




Jan-6 : Fight is signed / Press conference
Jan-7 : Blood test done. Pacquiao tests clean. (obviously)
Jan-8 : HGH injection
Jan-9: HGH injection
Jan-10: HGH injection
Jan-11: HGH injection
Jan-12: HGH injection
Jan-13: HGH injection
Jan-14: HGH injection
Jan-15: HGH injection
Jan-16: HGH injection
Jan-17: HGH injection
Jan-18: HGH injection
Jan-19: HGH injection
Jan-20: HGH injection
Jan-21: HGH injection
Jan-22: HGH injection
Jan-23: HGH injection
Jan-24: HGH injection
Jan-25: HGH injection
Jan-26: HGH injection
Jan-27: HGH injection
Jan-28: HGH injection
Jan-29: HGH injection
Jan-30: HGH injection
Jan-31: HGH injection

You're not very bright are ya?

Great comeback.

[hitmanhatton]

HGH seems an odd choice if that is what he was on but maybe i dont know all the effects.... however regardless of the drug pre arranged testing is a joke.... all these pac fans are making a big deal of the fact that the test can be taken straight after the fight ... too late its used for training not the fight itself

[blegit]

I think the people who are more sensible about this issue will be better served when we just come to the realization that even the Pac jockstrap holders know that random blood testing is good and PBF is right to take this stance. PBF's team just took the stance against the wrong guy because Pac has too many die hard fans who will would rather die before admit Pac is ever wrong about anything. They're not the ones who have to be in the ring with a possible PED cheat. Boxing is dangerous enough. It needs to make sure every fighter is natural. This passive approach is bull and will not be taken the right way because money is always first. Sports don't want their stars suspended or banned and are willing to overlook plenty to do so. Congress had to step in to get baseball to even ban steroids in 2003, an illegal product to begin with. What is right has little value if it is not popular.

[hitmanhatton]

I think the people who are more sensible about this issue will be better served when we just come to the realization that even the Pac jockstrap holders know that random blood testing is good and PBF is right to take this stance. PBF's team just took the stance against the wrong guy because Pac has too many die hard fans who will would rather die before admit Pac is ever wrong about anything. They're not the ones who have to be in the ring with a possible PED cheat. Boxing is dangerous enough. It needs to make sure every fighter is natural. This passive approach is bull and will not be taken the right way because money is always first. Sports don't want their stars suspended or banned and are willing to overlook plenty to do so. Congress had to step in to get baseball to even ban steroids in 2003, an illegal product to begin with. What is right has little value if it is not popular.

true .... carl lewis tested positive shortly before the ben johnson scandel which handed him the gold.... i guess he was a much more neccesary star than johnson

[Zilla]

I think the people who are more sensible about this issue will be better served when we just come to the realization that even the Pac jockstrap holders know that random blood testing is good and PBF is right to take this stance. PBF's team just took the stance against the wrong guy because Pac has too many die hard fans who will would rather die before admit Pac is ever wrong about anything. They're not the ones who have to be in the ring with a possible PED cheat. Boxing is dangerous enough. It needs to make sure every fighter is natural. This passive approach is bull and will not be taken the right way because money is always first. Sports don't want their stars suspended or banned and are willing to overlook plenty to do so. Congress had to step in to get baseball to even ban steroids in 2003, an illegal product to begin with. What is right has little value if it is not popular.

true .... carl lewis tested positive shortly before the ben johnson scandel which handed him the gold.... i guess he was a much more neccesary star than johnson

The thing is, steroids weren't illegal when both athletes took them. Maybe they were banned substances by Olympic standards, though.

[hitmanhatton]

I think the people who are more sensible about this issue will be better served when we just come to the realization that even the Pac jockstrap holders know that random blood testing is good and PBF is right to take this stance. PBF's team just took the stance against the wrong guy because Pac has too many die hard fans who will would rather die before admit Pac is ever wrong about anything. They're not the ones who have to be in the ring with a possible PED cheat. Boxing is dangerous enough. It needs to make sure every fighter is natural. This passive approach is bull and will not be taken the right way because money is always first. Sports don't want their stars suspended or banned and are willing to overlook plenty to do so. Congress had to step in to get baseball to even ban steroids in 2003, an illegal product to begin with. What is right has little value if it is not popular.

true .... carl lewis tested positive shortly before the ben johnson scandel which handed him the gold.... i guess he was a much more neccesary star than johnson

The thing is, steroids weren't illegal when both athletes took them. Maybe they were banned substances by Olympic standards, though.

not in terms of general public usage you mean ? they were definatley illegal in sports....

thing is the word 'steroid' covers so many different drugs... some are illegal some arent.... some stuff used to be illegal and now isnt... ripped fuel is one example i think

there are also supplements used now that will probably one day turn out to be banned so hard to say what was and wasnt illegal at the time

[pacQ]

all baseless accusations. JUDGE JURY EXECUTIONERS

[The Congressman]

Point #1: Human Growth Hormone (HGH) in ONLY detected via a blood test.


Point #2: urine tests are absolutely useless in detecting Human Growth Hormone. So, STFU about Pacquiao agreeing to unlimited urine tests. They don't mean anything.


Point #3: it takes anywhere from 12 hours to 48 hours (at most 72 hours) for discontinuing HGH use for it not to show up in blood tests.



Point #4: Pacquiao stated that agreeing to 3 blood tests (when first signing the fight, then 30 days before, then immediately after the fight). He claimed that this is sufficient to prove he is clean. It is not.


Imagine this scenario....




Jan-6 : Fight is signed / Press conference
Jan-7 : Blood test done. Pacquiao tests clean. (obviously)
Jan-8 : HGH injection
Jan-9: HGH injection
Jan-10: HGH injection
Jan-11: HGH injection
Jan-12: HGH injection
Jan-13: HGH injection
Jan-14: HGH injection
Jan-15: HGH injection
Jan-16: HGH injection
Jan-17: HGH injection
Jan-18: HGH injection
Jan-19: HGH injection
Jan-20: HGH injection
Jan-21: HGH injection
Jan-22: HGH injection
Jan-23: HGH injection
Jan-24: HGH injection
Jan-25: HGH injection
Jan-26: HGH injection
Jan-27: HGH injection
Jan-28: HGH injection
Jan-29: HGH injection
Jan-30: HGH injection
Jan-31: HGH injection

You're not very bright are ya?

Great comeback.

Just curious. Inject him where?.. what part of his body? Keep going with your theories genius. Endulge us.

[BoxingFan30]

Just curious. Inject him where?.. what part of his body? Keep going with your theories genius. Endulge us.

Google is your friend...
Steroid Injection

"The most common place for intramuscular injections are in the buttocks."

[hitmanhatton]

You're not very bright are ya?

Great comeback.

Just curious. Inject him where?.. what part of his body? Keep going with your theories genius. Endulge us.

the same places any other human being taking PED's would be injected... the veins of the arms, legs, buttcheeks etc.... whats so hard about that