Even more proof Pacneedle is juicing

[KKisser]

Aw man i knew itd come to this. Please dont hate on people who havent done anything to be hated. Pac not agreeing to take a blood test doesnt mean his guilty. Come on. Its like someone accusing YOU of stealing even though they have no proof of it even more so that you have no record of theft. Its kinda like what happened to Jesus. Just cause he went around and proclaiming he was the son of God and he wasnt even doing anything bad. They arrested him and accused him of blasphemy and crucified him. Thats what you are currently doing to pac. plain and simple. Lemme ask you when was the first time anyone has even hinted pac was on roids and who hinted it? Oh thats right it was floyd mayweather sr. the former trainer of hatton who got KTFOd by pac. Dont you think it was out of bitterness that his fighter was obliterated by pac and made him look like a sucky trainer that he accused pac? What if pac was beaten by Cotto? I think he wouldnt have been labeled then right? Just cause you think he COULDNT HAVE BEATEN A LEGIT WELTERWEIGHT doesnt mean you can deduce he has an unfair advantage. Its peoples image of that "Pac shouldnt have been able to take those punches" is whats where the doubt is coming from but let me ask where are you basing that image? Cause he was KOd before? Wasnt that like when he was 18? at a lower weight? With a world class and future HOF like Erik Morales? People give a contradictory statement about pac and usually they give lots of excuses with most of the fights won. Like the marquez war, they say he practically lost that in points, david diaz he was weak and a paper champion tailor made etc..., Oscar Dela Hoya he was weight drained and wasnt the ODLH he used to be. Ricky Hatton he was overrated and wasnt the same after mayweather beat him. Cotto he wasnt the same after margarito. Now that they have something to pin on him they arent loving it. They love it cause usually pac looks to be untouchable because hes humble and hes won most of his fights since.

If I was in a department store and a security guard thought that I had stolen something, the first thing I would do would be to turn out my pockets and prove that I am innocent. To refuse would make me look circumspect. Right now Manny looks circumspect. It would have been better to agree. We would all then have the fight we want and both fighters would clearly be clean.

You can bring up the ludicrous Jesus analogies as much as you like, but there is one small thing that you are overlooking. Manny is not fighting because he refuses a random drugs test. As simple as.

but if you were in the department store and that security guard singled you out out of all the people in the store for no reason whatsoever except maybe in his eyes you look like a thief, and want to thoroughly search your person, wouldn't you feel offended? i guess you would oblige immediately miles, but there are some people who would resent it and say "what the fuck do you think i am?!" i know that guard would get an earful from me.

[Violent Demise]

Aw man i knew itd come to this. Please dont hate on people who havent done anything to be hated. Pac not agreeing to take a blood test doesnt mean his guilty. Come on. Its like someone accusing YOU of stealing even though they have no proof of it even more so that you have no record of theft. Its kinda like what happened to Jesus. Just cause he went around and proclaiming he was the son of God and he wasnt even doing anything bad. They arrested him and accused him of blasphemy and crucified him. Thats what you are currently doing to pac. plain and simple. Lemme ask you when was the first time anyone has even hinted pac was on roids and who hinted it? Oh thats right it was floyd mayweather sr. the former trainer of hatton who got KTFOd by pac. Dont you think it was out of bitterness that his fighter was obliterated by pac and made him look like a sucky trainer that he accused pac? What if pac was beaten by Cotto? I think he wouldnt have been labeled then right? Just cause you think he COULDNT HAVE BEATEN A LEGIT WELTERWEIGHT doesnt mean you can deduce he has an unfair advantage. Its peoples image of that "Pac shouldnt have been able to take those punches" is whats where the doubt is coming from but let me ask where are you basing that image? Cause he was KOd before? Wasnt that like when he was 18? at a lower weight? With a world class and future HOF like Erik Morales? People give a contradictory statement about pac and usually they give lots of excuses with most of the fights won. Like the marquez war, they say he practically lost that in points, david diaz he was weak and a paper champion tailor made etc..., Oscar Dela Hoya he was weight drained and wasnt the ODLH he used to be. Ricky Hatton he was overrated and wasnt the same after mayweather beat him. Cotto he wasnt the same after margarito. Now that they have something to pin on him they arent loving it. They love it cause usually pac looks to be untouchable because hes humble and hes won most of his fights since.

If I was in a department store and a security guard thought that I had stolen something, the first thing I would do would be to turn out my pockets and prove that I am innocent. To refuse would make me look circumspect. Right now Manny looks circumspect. It would have been better to agree. We would all then have the fight we want and both fighters would clearly be clean.

You can bring up the ludicrous Jesus analogies as much as you like, but there is one small thing that you are overlooking. Manny is not fighting because he refuses a random drugs test. As simple as.

but if you were in the department store and that security guard singled you out out of all the people in the store for no reason whatsoever except maybe in his eyes you look like a thief, and want to thoroughly search your person, wouldn't you feel offended? i guess you would oblige immediately miles, but there are some people who would resent it and say "what the fuck do you think i am?!" i know that guard would get an earful from me.

Is the security guard giving you 40 million afterwards?

[Gandalf]

If I was in a department store and a security guard thought that I had stolen something, the first thing I would do would be to turn out my pockets and prove that I am innocent. To refuse would make me look circumspect. Right now Manny looks circumspect. It would have been better to agree. We would all then have the fight we want and both fighters would clearly be clean.

You can bring up the ludicrous Jesus analogies as much as you like, but there is one small thing that you are overlooking. Manny is not fighting because he refuses a random drugs test. As simple as.

but if you were in the department store and that security guard singled you out out of all the people in the store for no reason whatsoever except maybe in his eyes you look like a thief, and want to thoroughly search your person, wouldn't you feel offended? i guess you would oblige immediately miles, but there are some people who would resent it and say "what the fuck do you think i am?!" i know that guard would get an earful from me.

Is the security guard giving you 40 million afterwards?

That's a very good point. "Turn out your pockets like a good boy and we will give you a prize if you are clean". Nobody would have a problem when you look at it like that.

[KKisser]

If I was in a department store and a security guard thought that I had stolen something, the first thing I would do would be to turn out my pockets and prove that I am innocent. To refuse would make me look circumspect. Right now Manny looks circumspect. It would have been better to agree. We would all then have the fight we want and both fighters would clearly be clean.

You can bring up the ludicrous Jesus analogies as much as you like, but there is one small thing that you are overlooking. Manny is not fighting because he refuses a random drugs test. As simple as.

but if you were in the department store and that security guard singled you out out of all the people in the store for no reason whatsoever except maybe in his eyes you look like a thief, and want to thoroughly search your person, wouldn't you feel offended? i guess you would oblige immediately miles, but there are some people who would resent it and say "what the fuck do you think i am?!" i know that guard would get an earful from me.

Is the security guard giving you 40 million afterwards?

why would he give me $40M? don't be stupid. lol

is the guard getting $40M to search me?

[Violent Demise]

but if you were in the department store and that security guard singled you out out of all the people in the store for no reason whatsoever except maybe in his eyes you look like a thief, and want to thoroughly search your person, wouldn't you feel offended? i guess you would oblige immediately miles, but there are some people who would resent it and say "what the fuck do you think i am?!" i know that guard would get an earful from me.

Is the security guard giving you 40 million afterwards?

why would he give me $40M? don't be stupid. lol

Pacneedle takes the tests and he gets 40 million. It's that simple

[hakkai619]

Yes yes i get that taking the test would be an easy gesture to prove his innocence but in the essence why he has been accused in the first place is where the point of the argument comes in. why would pac go beyond the call of duty and take unnecessary tests just cause some people think hes cheating? Money? Nah pac doesnt care THAT much about money as much as mayweather. Hes pissed off that why is he being doubted in the first place. Thats why. Although i get that yes whats so wrong with taking the test and passing and shoving it on mayweather all the pachater's faces but its up to pac on that note and i also think this is all a publicity stunt gone wrong.

[pacQ]

Mayweather Sr. accused MannyPacquiao of using steroids even before the cotto fight. MP kept quiet so he could concentrate on the upcoming fight.

now that the bout with FMjr is in the works, the dirty talk didnt stop from the mayweather camp, MP's super pissed, its a demolition job! all the hard work sacrifice etc that brought him to the top is being put into question without any proof/evidence. MSr. (and paulie) sowed the seeds of doubt.

had the drugtesting issue been demanded/requested by the governing body (NSAC) then MP would have agreed. but coming from the mayweathers & gbp, no way! MP knows that the mayweathers' into mindgames so he stubbornly stood his ground. they wont own him!

[Julius Rain]

Is the security guard giving you 40 million afterwards?

why would he give me $40M? don't be stupid. lol

Pacneedle takes the tests and he gets 40 million. It's that simple

nah pac calls all the shots, whats wrong with you? Of all people you should know whats up. Only thing thats getting proven is that the Mayweathers or GBP can't fwck with Pac inside or outside the ring.

[KKisser]

the analogy has nothing to do with the $40M. it's just to show how someone would feel in the situation. pacquiao is rich enough to forego $40M coz he still has the capacity to earn that much in the future. same thing with mayweather, he could simply bend their demands and propose a more acceptable test wherein manny wouldn't be mentally affected because of drawing blood so close to the fight. mayweather kept saying pac is an easy fight for them, so why are they too concern for extra testing? something that they never asked previous opponents before? ...something that is unprecedented. aren't they also throwing away $40M for a supposedly easy fight? i think pac's ego is getting the best of him coz if it were me i'd take the test but i certainly would resent it coz i know where it's coming from.

[markb018]

the analogy has nothing to do with the $40M. it's just to show how someone would feel in the situation. pacquiao is rich enough to forego $40M coz he still has the capacity to earn that much in the future. same thing with mayweather, he could simply bend their demands and propose a more acceptable test wherein manny wouldn't be mentally affected because of drawing blood so close to the fight. mayweather kept saying pac is an easy fight for them, so why are they too concern for extra testing? something that they never asked previous opponents before? ...something that is unprecedented. aren't they also throwing away $40M for a supposedly easy fight? i think pac's ego is getting the best of him coz if it were me i'd take the test but i certainly would resent it coz i know where it's coming from.

You know what..if i am put on the spot like Pac is I would take the test and when I pass them say "see legit so shut the fuck up" end of story Pac looks like a god. Bottomline he isn't doing this.

Same thing goes with the security guard bullshit, I'm confronted like that I empty my pockets whatever and tell em to fuck off . Not doing that what do you expect people to think....that you have something to hide. I don't see how this is so hard for people to grasp

[KKisser]

the analogy has nothing to do with the $40M. it's just to show how someone would feel in the situation. pacquiao is rich enough to forego $40M coz he still has the capacity to earn that much in the future. same thing with mayweather, he could simply bend their demands and propose a more acceptable test wherein manny wouldn't be mentally affected because of drawing blood so close to the fight. mayweather kept saying pac is an easy fight for them, so why are they too concern for extra testing? something that they never asked previous opponents before? ...something that is unprecedented. aren't they also throwing away $40M for a supposedly easy fight? i think pac's ego is getting the best of him coz if it were me i'd take the test but i certainly would resent it coz i know where it's coming from.

You know what..if i am put on the spot like Pac is I would take the test and when I pass them say "see legit so shut the fuck up" end of story Pac looks like a god. Bottomline he isn't doing this.

Same thing goes with the security guard bullshit, I'm confronted like that I empty my pockets whatever and tell em to fuck off . Not doing that what do you expect people to think....that you have something to hide. I don't see how this is so hard for people to grasp

if it were as simple as emptying your pockets that would be easy enough coz that might be standard procedure, but what if they wanted to do a thorough search when there was nothing you did that would warrant it? mayweathers doesn't want to bend in their demand of olympic style testing where fighters can be tested within 48 hours of the fight to which pac has issues with. anyways, i just hope they get back soon to the negotiation table and work this testing b.s. out.

[Gandalf]

Aw man i knew itd come to this. Please dont hate on people who havent done anything to be hated. Pac not agreeing to take a blood test doesnt mean his guilty. Come on. Its like someone accusing YOU of stealing even though they have no proof of it even more so that you have no record of theft. Its kinda like what happened to Jesus. Just cause he went around and proclaiming he was the son of God and he wasnt even doing anything bad. They arrested him and accused him of blasphemy and crucified him. Thats what you are currently doing to pac. plain and simple. Lemme ask you when was the first time anyone has even hinted pac was on roids and who hinted it? Oh thats right it was floyd mayweather sr. the former trainer of hatton who got KTFOd by pac. Dont you think it was out of bitterness that his fighter was obliterated by pac and made him look like a sucky trainer that he accused pac? What if pac was beaten by Cotto? I think he wouldnt have been labeled then right? Just cause you think he COULDNT HAVE BEATEN A LEGIT WELTERWEIGHT doesnt mean you can deduce he has an unfair advantage. Its peoples image of that "Pac shouldnt have been able to take those punches" is whats where the doubt is coming from but let me ask where are you basing that image? Cause he was KOd before? Wasnt that like when he was 18? at a lower weight? With a world class and future HOF like Erik Morales? People give a contradictory statement about pac and usually they give lots of excuses with most of the fights won. Like the marquez war, they say he practically lost that in points, david diaz he was weak and a paper champion tailor made etc..., Oscar Dela Hoya he was weight drained and wasnt the ODLH he used to be. Ricky Hatton he was overrated and wasnt the same after mayweather beat him. Cotto he wasnt the same after margarito. Now that they have something to pin on him they arent loving it. They love it cause usually pac looks to be untouchable because hes humble and hes won most of his fights since.

If I was in a department store and a security guard thought that I had stolen something, the first thing I would do would be to turn out my pockets and prove that I am innocent. To refuse would make me look circumspect. Right now Manny looks circumspect. It would have been better to agree. We would all then have the fight we want and both fighters would clearly be clean.

You can bring up the ludicrous Jesus analogies as much as you like, but there is one small thing that you are overlooking. Manny is not fighting because he refuses a random drugs test. As simple as.

but if you were in the department store and that security guard singled you out out of all the people in the store for no reason whatsoever except maybe in his eyes you look like a thief, and want to thoroughly search your person, wouldn't you feel offended? i guess you would oblige immediately miles, but there are some people who would resent it and say "what the fuck do you think i am?!" i know that guard would get an earful from me.

I don't know about feeling offended, but I would feel a bit shocked and taken aback. But after that moment and having had a second or two to think about the situation I would think "well, why not?". I would definitely demand an apology after the ordeal.

Like I say, I think this whole thing has got way out of hand and it has just made boxing look silly. Instead of winning over new fans, we have them looking at boxing as some kind of charade. Unlike the store situation, we are dealing with top level athletes in the public eye. Refusing a random drugs test simply doesn't look good.

[JT Rock]

but if you were in the department store and that security guard singled you out out of all the people in the store for no reason whatsoever except maybe in his eyes you look like a thief, and want to thoroughly search your person, wouldn't you feel offended? i guess you would oblige immediately miles, but there are some people who would resent it and say "what the fuck do you think i am?!" i know that guard would get an earful from me.

I would agree with you, but your what your missing here is probable cause.. Manny Pacquiao is acting almost identical to every other amateur and Pro athlete implicated for using Anabolic Steroids, growth hormone and any other PED that got caught.. I know people would like to believe that Pac is the 2nd coming but the stuff he is doing and has done are unprecedented the way he is retaining speed and power.... So yes Pac may be clean as a whistle but based on the recent history of fighters doing phenomenal things in this era with the help of chemical enhancements definetly rouses suspicion with PROBABLE CAUSE. In this era of the court of public opinion the onus is on the athlete to prove to us he's not using instead of us proving he is...