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He similar enough to Taylor, but didn't have Taylor's power or chin, though he did have that knockout punch... IMO WInky would beat him with pressure, and have a much easier time against Hearns than he did against the much bigger Taylor.
Ha ha - you're funny !

If winky tried to outbox Hearns, he would have been outpinted like everyone else was. Nobody ever outboxed Tommy.

If he tried to pressure him, he would have been kayoed. Hearns kayoed genuine light heavies, never mind blown up junior middles.

Winky is a very good fighter, but Hearns is an all time great.

For Hearns vs Winky, just watch Hearns vs Virgil Hill. Winky fights just like Virgil used to, except he's a lot smaller !!
Who did Hearns fight that could really box besides Leonard? ALso don't be fooled I bet Taylor could knock down plenty of legit lightheavy weights with easy.. Size doesn't necessarily change the quality of chin, and it wasn' the power of Hearns' punches but how that he was tricky in how he threw his right hand. Roy Jones Jr. would out box Hearns. Michael Nunn would have outboxed Hearns. James Toney would have out boxed Hearns. IMO even Hopkins could have found a strategy to outbox Hearns... to say that a boxer can't be outboxed is stupid. Winky is good enough to take Hearns' punches IMO, and he would block almost all of them anyways while he would beat Thomas to the jab because he beats everyone to the jab even Mosley, and then Taylor at 34!!, and Taylor has pretty much the same jab as Hearns, and in many ways the same style, but he is bigger and stronger. ON the other side I think that Hearns had a weak chin and that Winky could hurt him, though not take him out, but in the end frustrate Hearns and beat him handidly because I think that Taylor is a better physical specimen with a similar boxing style, and with nowadays training methods, and Winky still fought him to a draw. Also WInky is easily stronger than almost any middleweight out there... There is almost nobody who can stand up to the barrage he took from Taylor and still come foreward the whole fight.
Good debate, I'll try and answer your points in order:

- Hearns fought many good boxers, such as Virgil Hill (who I've already mentioned), Michael Olajide, Ray Leonard, Marvin hagler, Duran (he outboxed Leonard as well), and Wilfred Benitez, who was a very very skilled boxer. He outboxed them all.

- I definitely did not say that Hearns could not be outboxed, which would be stupid (I agree with you there) I said that he was never outboxed in his career.

- I wasa great fan of hearms and watched most of his fights, just like I've watched most of Toneys, most of RJJ's etc. Nunn would not have outboxed Tommy IMO/ I think that Toney and Jones would have given him a really good fight, but not by winning pitty-pat on points.

- I said that Hearns would outpint Winky, not outpoint him. This revolves around a drinking contest (only joking )

- Winky could not have taken Hearns' best punches, I don't think. Tommy did really have a devastating right hand and nobody apart from Hagler stood up to it (but don't forget that Hagler was on the verge of being stoppe on cuts when he did kayo Tommy)

- I don't agree that Taylor has the same style as Hearns, nor that he is bigger and stronger? I think he is good but he has a lot to prove yet.

- You are right about Hearn's chin - he was susceptible to getting caught, so Winky's best route to win this one would be to catch Tommy.

I am never going to agree with you on this one, but am not taking the piss or giving you shit because I do think that Winky is a very good fighter and might belong in the same ring as hearns (but only when we can look back on his whole career like we can on Tommy's)