Is Israel a terrorist state?

[Kirkland Laing]

Israel is a proud holy nation that has been subjected to ridiculous accusations over the years that time and time again prove to be completely dumbfounded

Like most of the conflict throughout the world right now islam is guilty for failing to understand and abide to the laws that the rest of the world outside of its perimeter abide too.

If the religion continues going down the dark road is it now heading it will not be long before we enter another idealogical war

I've missed you Hammer. That post is just all-round brilliance. Is this the kind of 'idealogical' war we're headed to??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnT8Ubogdog
I've been wanting to use a South Park video as a reference for months, finally found a video short enough

your not related to darkus howe are you merkin??

Palestine is a state run by terrorists. They deserve no sympathy whatsoever and they have blood on their hands for every single israeli man/woman/childs death

the same does not apply the other way around!!

Israel is a country founded by a sorry collection of terrorists, ethnic cleansers and mass murderers. Israel has been run by actual terrorist group leaders since its foundation and only ceased to have an ex-terrorist as its leader in the 1990s when all the ex-terrorists had either retired from politics or died and then they elected war criminal Ariel Sharon.

[Kirkland Laing]

ter·ror·ism (tÄ•r'É™-rÄ*z'É™m)
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n.
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

That's the perfect description of how the Israelis have conducted themselves over the years. They've even started admitting publicly that the recent war crimes in Gaza are just to subjugate the Palestinians and that future war crimes will be even more brutal.

[El Kabong]

....well I am totally shocked that Kirkland thinks that Israel is bad

[Andre]

Btw I do see your points they are valid but not the be all and end all of the situation, It doesnt make you cunts or make me say fuck you for having these points of view.


Interesting couple of threads we have going here anyway gentlemen / climate change and Israel.

Heres to you lot sitting in front of fires looking at snow and me under a cool air conditioner just off down to the beach.

We are worlds apart.

cheers.

[Gandalf]

I had a feeling that this would be thread that would spark some debate, but I didn't realise that it would get so heated and off the rails.

I understand the holocaust argument and agree that the Nazi genocide was a terrible thing, but in what way does that justify giving those of a specific religion their own manufactured country? I am not religious and have no interest in what the Bible has to say on this matter. You can't just split up Palestine and hope for peace ever after. Israel has been an imperial power in the Middle East and supplied with weaponry and funded by the US. The building of settlements on occupied land is criminal and the international community still refuses to command Israel to give back the land. It's interesting that Israeli's could persecute and torture a race of people despite their own recent history. You would think the experience of genocide would have given them a greater sense of humanity, but instead they seem to have put a milder version in its place. Sad really.

Israel was a big mistake and we have been paying for it ever since. It was an ill conceived move formed out of a collective guilt over the holocaust. Unforunately, it has led to the persecution of Palestinians who had nothing to do with the Nazi's nor the holocaust. I see no way to justify how the Israeli's have behaved. Unfortunately, the US has continually given suppport to what in my view is clearly a terrorist state and without a US veto they will continue to be a terrorist state. If any country should be part of the "axis of evil", Israel would have to be one.

[CFH]

While my sympathies lie largely with the Palestinians, IMO the Israeli - Palestinian conflict is one in which neither side can be looked at as wholly "right" or "wrong". In some sense I understand the actions taken by both sides. The situation has been a clusterfuck for nearly a century (thanks Britain and Frace) and while in my opinion the country of Israel never should have been established in the way it was, it is far too late to simply decry it's existence. I really don't think there is a clear solution to the problems wracking that region and I can't foresee it being resolved anytime soon.

And the Holocaust is no justification for the actions of the Israeli administrations. That is a ridiculous argument. The legacy of the Holocaust may inform some of the decisions made by the leaders, but it in no way absolves them of any wrong-doing and it is no justification for the inhumane treatment of others.