Floyd Mayweather fighting Nate Campbell?

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This is pretty much right, and I'll agree to it, but Floyd did know from the getgo that this specific demand could hurt the whole negotiation.

It still isn't a response at all that fighting Cotto and Clottey at welterweight is much, much more impressive than fighting Marquez and Campbell at welterweight. Pacquiao had a good chance of losing both those fights, Floyd has NONE of losing his. Suspecting Pac of roids is separate and distinct from saying Floyd's choice in opponents leave much to be desired and Pac's don't.

Would Pac be fighting any of these bigger guys if he had to take random drug tests? I daresay no. I'd rather support a clean fighter myself. Please dont crap on about the 'Pacs scared of needles' shit because nobody gives up 40 million because of a few needles, they do it cos they got something to hide.

Eagle, would Pac be fighting smaller guys if he had to take random drug tests? I daresay no. For example, Marquez won't fight him and no GBP fighter will either.

I personally don't think Pac took steroids, but it is very odd that he won't submit to the tests, I just don't see the logic though.

Anyway, what has this got to do with Mayweather's lackluster choices of opponents? Even Taeth, one of the biggest Mayweather supporters on this site, is dismayed with the choices thrown out now. Come on now! Mayweather has been at welterweight for 5 years, and he hasn't fought a top five welterweight that whole time! Now he is chosing between junior welterweights and lightweights who aren't even at the top of their weight classes.

You know how Mayweather shows Manny up once and for all? He fights Shane Mosley. That's how.

Well if you dont think he is on drugs, why do you think he didnt take the tests? There is no other logical answer.

You can say that PBF's opponents arent that great, but he did just challenge the guy that is #1 P4P and that guy ducked the fight.

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Would Pac be fighting any of these bigger guys if he had to take random drug tests? I daresay no. I'd rather support a clean fighter myself. Please dont crap on about the 'Pacs scared of needles' shit because nobody gives up 40 million because of a few needles, they do it cos they got something to hide.

Eagle, would Pac be fighting smaller guys if he had to take random drug tests? I daresay no. For example, Marquez won't fight him and no GBP fighter will either.

I personally don't think Pac took steroids, but it is very odd that he won't submit to the tests, I just don't see the logic though.

Anyway, what has this got to do with Mayweather's lackluster choices of opponents? Even Taeth, one of the biggest Mayweather supporters on this site, is dismayed with the choices thrown out now. Come on now! Mayweather has been at welterweight for 5 years, and he hasn't fought a top five welterweight that whole time! Now he is chosing between junior welterweights and lightweights who aren't even at the top of their weight classes.

You know how Mayweather shows Manny up once and for all? He fights Shane Mosley. That's how.

Well if you dont think he is on drugs, why do you think he didnt take the tests? There is no other logical answer.

You can say that PBF's opponents arent that great, but he did just challenge the guy that is #1 P4P and that guy ducked the fight.

Eagle, I posted this in another thread which I encourage you to check out, but I agree it is odd Pacquiao wouldn't take the tests and I'm not sure why he didn't. It doesn't make any sense. Let's say he was on drugs for the Diaz, ODLH, Hatton, and Cotto fights, all he had to do was not be on drugs for this fight and he would have made more coin than any fighter since Mike Tyson. It wouldn't matter if he won or lost. And it wouldn't have mattered if he lost because you could chalk it up to the fact he was beat by the better boxer, juice or not. And like I said in that other thread, I and most people, including the bookies, had Pacquiao losing the fight before this whole steroids debate arose, on or not on drugs.

He challenged a guy who was not a career welterweight, #1 p4p or not, I'd like to see him challenge any top five welterweight. Any.

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Eagle, would Pac be fighting smaller guys if he had to take random drug tests? I daresay no. For example, Marquez won't fight him and no GBP fighter will either.

I personally don't think Pac took steroids, but it is very odd that he won't submit to the tests, I just don't see the logic though.

Anyway, what has this got to do with Mayweather's lackluster choices of opponents? Even Taeth, one of the biggest Mayweather supporters on this site, is dismayed with the choices thrown out now. Come on now! Mayweather has been at welterweight for 5 years, and he hasn't fought a top five welterweight that whole time! Now he is chosing between junior welterweights and lightweights who aren't even at the top of their weight classes.

You know how Mayweather shows Manny up once and for all? He fights Shane Mosley. That's how.

Well if you dont think he is on drugs, why do you think he didnt take the tests? There is no other logical answer.

You can say that PBF's opponents arent that great, but he did just challenge the guy that is #1 P4P and that guy ducked the fight.

Eagle, I posted this in another thread which I encourage you to check out, but I agree it is odd Pacquiao wouldn't take the tests and I'm not sure why he didn't. It doesn't make any sense. Let's say he was on drugs for the Diaz, ODLH, Hatton, and Cotto fights, all he had to do was not be on drugs for this fight and he would have made more coin than any fighter since Mike Tyson. It wouldn't matter if he won or lost. And it wouldn't have mattered if he lost because you could chalk it up to the fact he was beat by the better boxer, juice or not. And like I said in that other thread, I and most people, including the bookies, had Pacquiao losing the fight before this whole steroids debate arose, on or not on drugs.

He challenged a guy who was not a career welterweight, #1 p4p or not, I'd like to see him challenge any top five welterweight. Any.

Oh god. Pac just Ko'd a top 3 welter, who'd previously beaten Mosely and Clottey, now all of a sudden Pac doesnt count as a welterweight. As i said, there is no other logical explanation for not taking a drug test other than the fact u have something to hide. Dont overcomplicate things.

[Rantcatrat]

Well if you dont think he is on drugs, why do you think he didnt take the tests? There is no other logical answer.

You can say that PBF's opponents arent that great, but he did just challenge the guy that is #1 P4P and that guy ducked the fight.

Eagle, I posted this in another thread which I encourage you to check out, but I agree it is odd Pacquiao wouldn't take the tests and I'm not sure why he didn't. It doesn't make any sense. Let's say he was on drugs for the Diaz, ODLH, Hatton, and Cotto fights, all he had to do was not be on drugs for this fight and he would have made more coin than any fighter since Mike Tyson. It wouldn't matter if he won or lost. And it wouldn't have mattered if he lost because you could chalk it up to the fact he was beat by the better boxer, juice or not. And like I said in that other thread, I and most people, including the bookies, had Pacquiao losing the fight before this whole steroids debate arose, on or not on drugs.

He challenged a guy who was not a career welterweight, #1 p4p or not, I'd like to see him challenge any top five welterweight. Any.

Oh god. Pac just Ko'd a top 3 welter, who'd previously beaten Mosely and Clottey, now all of a sudden Pac doesnt count as a welterweight. As i said, there is no other logical explanation for not taking a drug test other than the fact u have something to hide. Dont overcomplicate things.

Pac would have been a great fight for Floyd. I'm not overcomplicating things. Floyd could have challenged Shane but instead he fought Marquez. Now, Floyd could wait to challenge the winner of the Mosley/Berto fight yet again instead he is fighting a career lightweight who at 38 is definitely passed his prime. There is no way to rationalize that when you are the champion of the welterweight division. Should Mayweather be dropped from the list of top welterweights if he continues to not fight welterweights or worse yet fight lightweights at the welterweight limit?

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Eagle, I posted this in another thread which I encourage you to check out, but I agree it is odd Pacquiao wouldn't take the tests and I'm not sure why he didn't. It doesn't make any sense. Let's say he was on drugs for the Diaz, ODLH, Hatton, and Cotto fights, all he had to do was not be on drugs for this fight and he would have made more coin than any fighter since Mike Tyson. It wouldn't matter if he won or lost. And it wouldn't have mattered if he lost because you could chalk it up to the fact he was beat by the better boxer, juice or not. And like I said in that other thread, I and most people, including the bookies, had Pacquiao losing the fight before this whole steroids debate arose, on or not on drugs.

He challenged a guy who was not a career welterweight, #1 p4p or not, I'd like to see him challenge any top five welterweight. Any.

Oh god. Pac just Ko'd a top 3 welter, who'd previously beaten Mosely and Clottey, now all of a sudden Pac doesnt count as a welterweight. As i said, there is no other logical explanation for not taking a drug test other than the fact u have something to hide. Dont overcomplicate things.

Pac would have been a great fight for Floyd. I'm not overcomplicating things. Floyd could have challenged Shane but instead he fought Marquez. Now, Floyd could wait to challenge the winner of the Mosley/Berto fight yet again instead he is fighting a career lightweight who at 38 is definitely passed his prime. There is no way to rationalize that when you are the champion of the welterweight division. Should Mayweather be dropped from the list of top welterweights if he continues to not fight welterweights or worse yet fight lightweights at the welterweight limit?

So you would rather criticise a guy who you dont think fights tough enough opponents, than a guy who blatantly ducks a random drug test? Weird logic.

[Rantcatrat]

Oh god. Pac just Ko'd a top 3 welter, who'd previously beaten Mosely and Clottey, now all of a sudden Pac doesnt count as a welterweight. As i said, there is no other logical explanation for not taking a drug test other than the fact u have something to hide. Dont overcomplicate things.

Pac would have been a great fight for Floyd. I'm not overcomplicating things. Floyd could have challenged Shane but instead he fought Marquez. Now, Floyd could wait to challenge the winner of the Mosley/Berto fight yet again instead he is fighting a career lightweight who at 38 is definitely passed his prime. There is no way to rationalize that when you are the champion of the welterweight division. Should Mayweather be dropped from the list of top welterweights if he continues to not fight welterweights or worse yet fight lightweights at the welterweight limit?

So you would rather criticise a guy who you dont think fights tough enough opponents, than a guy who blatantly ducks a random drug test? Weird logic.

How about we criticize both?

I was criticizing Mayweather for his poor choice of opponents before the fiasco with Pacquiao and it looks like nothing has changed. Why won't he fight the fight everyone wants (Mosley) and show up Pacquiao at the same time? I don't see how there is any real choice here. What is Mayweather waiting for? He already took a warm-up fight.

The criticism on Pacquiao is not that he isn't fighting top quality welterweights. It is that he didn't take a test to make the biggest fight in boxing in the last twenty years happen. Shame on him for that. Until proven otherwise, I don't believe Pacquiao took performance enhancing drugs, but that is not to say I won't be proven otherwise. Pacquiao was and is not my favorite fighter although I am a fan.