Canada's Healthcare Did not help UFC Star

[El Kabong]

America's healthcare system isn't horrible and I doubt any of the ones in Europe are horrible or even Canada's but the deal is this....#1 just giving American's "free healthcare" much like "free lunches" or "welfare" ain't going to solve the problems in the long run because the poor people, the people who don't have health insurance through their jobs (ie the Democrats main group of thugs...I mean constituants the SEIU [Service Employees International Union]) don't understand that health insurance IS expensive (which is why they don't have any) and just letting the government take care of it will not do anything but what's going on right now which is everyone pushing the price on to the people who can afford it ie tax payers and those people that have health insurance #2 Insurance providers are hindered by laws that create tons of red tape that eat up man hours that make the process more tedious and expensive.

It might be odd to read this in one of my posts, but this would be an easier fix if people took the politics out of it and just focused on a fucking solution. This is a "we need to work together" kind of fix and right now that shit just ain't going to happen because previously the Republicans overplayed their hand and now the Democrats have overplayed theirs and the citizens keep getting shat on.

....but I got my insurance b*tches !!!

[generalbulldog]

Some of these comments from the Canadians are funny from that link I posted in the 1st post.

It's amazing how deluded Canadians are. The things we believe is frightning. Nothing will change the fact that when the wealthy, highly educated, wordly people everywhere, get sick, they sure as hell don't come here ,or any other socialist state,they go to the USA.You can argue to your blue in the face as which payment method is better but in quality of care there is no comparison.The best in the world, for funding, are countries like Germany that have private and public care,thats why Quebec adopted it.Unfortuntely we aren't even allowed to discuss it. Hell, when Chretien's God daughter got sick he immediately packed her off to the states.One side effect of the litigation crazy USA is that the hospitals cross every T and dot every I to avoid being sued.Here in Canada it's not only tough to find a doctor to see it's almost impossible to find one that isn't under budgetary constraints.As for costs, the overwhelming taxes we pay for our FREE health care more than makes up for the Americans mounthly payments.B

Like that woman that was on the US news a while ago, I tell any American that will listen to keep away from our health system. How can ours be the best when the best medical minds go south because they can't make $ here? Oh yeah, our system is great alright. I had to wait 18 months for surgery, my family Dr. has a 3 month waiting list, emergency units have an 8hr wait if you're lucky, MRIs have to wait 3-6 months. OK, you people keep on looking at the truth with your eyes closed, just hoping things are fine. Me, I live with my eyes open and can see things for as they are. Like I said, the only thing about our health system is that everyone recieves crappy service for non-life threatening procedures. And to the fools that suggested I go south for treatments, good idea. After my experience with my 18 month wait, I will be US bound in the future. Just like my shopping trips I take.

[Gandalf]

America's healthcare system isn't horrible and I doubt any of the ones in Europe are horrible or even Canada's but the deal is this....#1 just giving American's "free healthcare" much like "free lunches" or "welfare" ain't going to solve the problems in the long run because the poor people, the people who don't have health insurance through their jobs (ie the Democrats main group of thugs...I mean constituants the SEIU [Service Employees International Union]) don't understand that health insurance IS expensive (which is why they don't have any) and just letting the government take care of it will not do anything but what's going on right now which is everyone pushing the price on to the people who can afford it ie tax payers and those people that have health insurance #2 Insurance providers are hindered by laws that create tons of red tape that eat up man hours that make the process more tedious and expensive.

It might be odd to read this in one of my posts, but this would be an easier fix if people took the politics out of it and just focused on a fucking solution. This is a "we need to work together" kind of fix and right now that shit just ain't going to happen because previously the Republicans overplayed their hand and now the Democrats have overplayed theirs and the citizens keep getting shat on.

....but I got my insurance b*tches !!!

Health insurance needn't be expensive though, Lyle. In Korea you pay the equivalent of 50 bucks a month which is then matched by your employer. It covers everything, though you will need to contribute a minimal amount extra in case of serious surgery. In fact I am not even bothering with that as I work freelance. Instead, I use my wifes insurance as the insurance here allows you to cover for one dependant extra at no added cost. So between us we are are fully covered for about 50 dollars a month.

The problem with America is that the health care system has become a free for all with the insurance companies having become so huge and making too much money. Instead of a humanitarian system that aims to protect all, you have this beast that exists to make as much money as possible. Ideally, I would like to see a British style system everywhere as it is open to all and funded by the taxpayer. Private insurance companies should really have no place at the centre of a national health care system.

[El Kabong]

#1 You're right Health Care SHOULDN'T be expensive (well as expensive as it is) but if the Democrats get their way they will look out for the people whose votes they want (the poor, illegal immigrants, college students, and solidifying their partnership with the SEIU) AND by "nationalizing" Healthcare they would create more Government jobs and more Government Unions feeding the beast of Democrat politics.

#2 As private companies in a capitalist system (well supposedly capitalist system) your job is to make money. Insurance companies get burned by customers and like any other company they try to negate that loss by passing the buck to other customers. Hospitals pass the buck to insurance companies too and Hospitals pass the buck to people that use hospitals too because Little Miss Welfare Queen comes in and pops out a few more checks....I mean "babies" and skips on the bill someone has to pay it and that someone is us.

The major issues with the Health Insurance companies is that they can cancel care if you're too sick or continuously sick....I think that's wrong. Insurance is best described as a gamble and that is like betting on black, it landing on red and you taking your bet off the table before the winner can rake it in. Also COBRA policies only last so long, if employers are going to provide healthcare then employees need the choice to keep that plan if they get fired or what have you, now a days you just get the boot. Also the paperwork is always different it burns up man hours and that in the end costs tons of money.

Healthcare isn't a simple fix, but it's simpler than Washington makes it seem. Because one side wants to watch out for the Drug Companies and one side wants to watch out for the Insurance groups and while that's goin gon nobody is watching after the citizens. While I'm at it, I love the private healthcare system.....and if a government system could run like this then fine but I KNOW 100% FOR CERTAIN it not so much can't but WON'T and that's one of the reasons I'm against this current healthcare bill.

[El Kabong]

Also Democrats can't do these 2 things to sell their bill

#1 You can't say "Healthcare is bankrupting the nation"....last time I checked nobody in DC cared about any kind of budget

#2 You can't have told us FOREVER "Early detection is a must" and then come back and say "well only for certain types of cancers"...that's bullshit AND it will cost lives. That part right there is tantamount to negligent homicide, I know PLENTY of people who wouldn't be here if not for early testing