Could prime Foreman have beaten Wladimir?

[Hulk]

could not agree more Hulk

....oh please do go on, I wish to hear the tales of the olden days where heavyweight Champions never lost, never got hurt, never got knocked down, never ran out of gas, and never got outboxed but they fought the hands down greatest fighters of all time and beat them but in beating them they never took away the glory of their fallen foes.


Explain to me this logic please....do you think guys like Miguel Angel Paez and Terry Sorrell and Scott LeDoux and Jose Roman could hang with Wladimir Klitschko? Do you think Chuvalo could? Do you think Frazier could?

....I'm not trying to say Wladimir is a top 10 all time heavyweight, I'm not trying to say anything like that but for you guys to continue this bullshit acting like he's not even a challenge to anyone from the past eras.....you're just being fucking foolish. Who was 6'7, 243 pounds, with KO power AND world class boxing skill back then? NO-FREAKING-BODY that's who!

We may as well say "John L Sullivan was much better than Foreman, I mean look how he fought, look at his record, AND he fought bare knuckled, AND they drank whiskey between rounds instead of water AND blah blah blah blah".....the FACT is Wladimir has lost 3 times 1 early in his career, and two more times nearly back to back which he eventually rebounded from and he's been dominant ever since. But I'm sure you guys will just go back and focus on those losses, forgetting all about Jimmy Young and him beating George Foreman or Foreman being dropped by Ron Lyle who more than likely didn't punch as hard as Wlad.....but that's cool you guys just go about your merry ignorant ways

Jesus H. Christ ! You'd think I called your mother a whore or something...

SHUT UP.

Wlad sucks compared to George Foreman who is a legend and IMO one of the top 5 greatest heavyweights ever. Easily top 10.

Get in the real world.

Foreman is not Sam Peter. Foremon would CRUSH Wladimir with over hand rights to the temple.

The Klitschko brothers are like the cutest ugly girls at the bar.

Their the best of the worst.

A prime George Foreman was the BEST OF THE BEST.

[El Kabong]

Jesus H. Christ ! You'd think I called your mother a whore or something...

SHUT UP.

Wlad sucks compared to George Foreman who is a legend and IMO one of the top 5 greatest heavyweights ever. Easily top 10.

Get in the real world.

Foreman is not Sam Peter. Foremon would CRUSH Wladimir with over hand rights to the temple.

The Klitschko brothers are like the cutest ugly girls at the bar.

Their the best of the worst.

A prime George Foreman was the BEST OF THE BEST.

Did I say George Foreman sucked? Did I compare George Foreman to Sam Peter? No, I am a huge George Foreman fan but that being said you're posting unreasonable bullshit like "The Klitschko's are the cutest ugly girls at the bar"......oh I guess they don't go out like some mindless street punks and swing for the fucking fences at the start of a fight they don't fight like the guys at the Toughman competitions at your National Guard Armory and in your eyes that makes them somehow less compotent as fighters and apparently you don't appreciate someone who actually boxes and if you consider yourself a true boxing fan I find those ideas hard to put together.

I am not trying to undermine what anyone thinks of George Foreman, you know God damn well Foreman is one of my favorite fighters of all time, but I'm just sick of the bullshit posted about the Klitschko's. They have been in the division for a long time, they've paid their dues, and they deserve respect. So they don't have anyone to fight did that make Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Larry Holmes, or Mike Tyson worse fighters? Those guys had "weak eras" hell part of Lennox Lewis' era was weak but eventually people started to respect his game because of the simple fact that "it takes talent to be the heavyweight champion" it doesn't matter who you fight it doesn't matter what era you are in it doesn't matter if you've got some previous losses as a matter of fact being able to rebound from losses is quite impressive in it's own right. I'm just saying the outright hating on the Klitschko's serves no purpose and as a boxing fan it's irresponsible and ridiculous to hate on them.

You can say George wins every time and I'm fine with that but when people just write off the Klitschko's as "the best of a bad era" that's wrong and it pisses me off that anyone considering themself to be some kind of true boxing fan would post that.

[Hulk]

Jesus H. Christ ! You'd think I called your mother a whore or something...

SHUT UP.

Wlad sucks compared to George Foreman who is a legend and IMO one of the top 5 greatest heavyweights ever. Easily top 10.

Get in the real world.

Foreman is not Sam Peter. Foremon would CRUSH Wladimir with over hand rights to the temple.

The Klitschko brothers are like the cutest ugly girls at the bar.

Their the best of the worst.

A prime George Foreman was the BEST OF THE BEST.

Did I say George Foreman sucked? Did I compare George Foreman to Sam Peter? No, I am a huge George Foreman fan but that being said you're posting unreasonable bullshit like "The Klitschko's are the cutest ugly girls at the bar"......oh I guess they don't go out like some mindless street punks and swing for the fucking fences at the start of a fight they don't fight like the guys at the Toughman competitions at your National Guard Armory and in your eyes that makes them somehow less compotent as fighters and apparently you don't appreciate someone who actually boxes and if you consider yourself a true boxing fan I find those ideas hard to put together.

I am not trying to undermine what anyone thinks of George Foreman, you know God damn well Foreman is one of my favorite fighters of all time, but I'm just sick of the bullshit posted about the Klitschko's. They have been in the division for a long time, they've paid their dues, and they deserve respect. So they don't have anyone to fight did that make Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Larry Holmes, or Mike Tyson worse fighters? Those guys had "weak eras" hell part of Lennox Lewis' era was weak but eventually people started to respect his game because of the simple fact that "it takes talent to be the heavyweight champion" it doesn't matter who you fight it doesn't matter what era you are in it doesn't matter if you've got some previous losses as a matter of fact being able to rebound from losses is quite impressive in it's own right. I'm just saying the outright hating on the Klitschko's serves no purpose and as a boxing fan it's irresponsible and ridiculous to hate on them.

You can say George wins every time and I'm fine with that but when people just write off the Klitschko's as "the best of a bad era" that's wrong and it pisses me off that anyone considering themself to be some kind of true boxing fan would post that.

Well I think I speak for a lot people when I say I'm tired of every time someone says something bad about the damn Klitschko brothers, you jump down their throat and attack them and have a damn hissy fit Lyle.

You seem to be a Klitschko fan first and a boxing fan second.

I have not once seen you concede that either brother would lose to an all time great like Foreman or Holmes or whomever it may be at the time.

[El Kabong]

Boxer Dude, I can't remember the last time Wlad got hit with a left hook that landed clean. However I reckon Joe Frazier is probably more dangerous to Wlad with his workrate and stamina rather than just the 1 left hook. This would be more of a 60-40 split for Frazier

Well I think I speak for a lot people when I say I'm tired of every time someone says something bad about the damn Klitschko brothers, you jump down their throat and attack them and have a damn hissy fit Lyle.

You seem to be a Klitschko fan first and a boxing fan second.

I have not once seen you concede that either brother would lose to an all time great like Foreman or Holmes or whomever it may be at the time.

I just said Foreman would beat Wlad more times than not...what more do you want me to do? I don't think it would be an easy fight for either fighter because for one Big George wasn't too fond of catching power punches face first either sure he had some whiskers and could get back up but a certain group of people seem to think that if you put Wladimir in with someone who has power he apparently loses all knowledge of what he does best which is inflict punishment and don't get hit.

60-40/70-30/80-20 100 fights may go in that range with Foreman winning the most but Wladimir is a skilled boxer and he does posess enough power to hurt Foreman so I figure he wouldn't lose 100% of the fights.

You see Hulk it's not that I am a Klitschko fan first because by all means I'm a huge George Foreman fan too. The deal is instead of making a snap judgement and saying "This whole thread is ridiculous" I took my time and looked at what both fighters do well and saw that by the way their styles contrast that it's not implausable that Wlad could catch Foreman and end it or it's not implausable that Wlad would outbox Big George just like it's not that far fetched that Foreman would stop Wladimir.

Hulk I'm not mad when people don't like the Klitschko's I'm mad when a "boxing fan" such as yourself just downplays everything they have ever done or will ever do, I think it does a disservice not only to them as fighters but to the sport.

[Gandalf]

Foreman would have knocked Wlad out and have him out in a rather unpleasant way. Wladimir is dominating an extremely lacklustre division and doing it in a style that bores the life out of me. Wlad might be okay for a few rounds, but once Foreman starts to walk him down and crack him hard Wlad will wilt. Wlad was knocked down repeatedly by a shitty Sam Peter, Foreman is leagues above any of that nonsense.

[rjj tszyu]

Foreman would have knocked Wlad out and have him out in a rather unpleasant way. Wladimir is dominating an extremely lacklustre division and doing it in a style that bores the life out of me. Wlad might be okay for a few rounds, but once Foreman starts to walk him down and crack him hard Wlad will wilt. Wlad was knocked down repeatedly by a shitty Sam Peter, Foreman is leagues above any of that nonsense.

I'm not in any way rubbishing the fact that you think Foreman would KO Wlad because I agree, but Wlad is a different fighter these days from the man who got floored 3 times by Sam Peter. If they were to rematch now I think Wlad would score a late KO without any trouble coming his way!

[Gandalf]

Foreman would have knocked Wlad out and have him out in a rather unpleasant way. Wladimir is dominating an extremely lacklustre division and doing it in a style that bores the life out of me. Wlad might be okay for a few rounds, but once Foreman starts to walk him down and crack him hard Wlad will wilt. Wlad was knocked down repeatedly by a shitty Sam Peter, Foreman is leagues above any of that nonsense.

I'm not in any way rubbishing the fact that you think Foreman would KO Wlad because I agree, but Wlad is a different fighter these days from the man who got floored 3 times by Sam Peter. If they were to rematch now I think Wlad would score a late KO without any trouble coming his way!

I also think Wlad would be a number on Peter, but it is also because Peter has slipped too. Wlad is just so cautious these days, he seems really scared to get hit. That might help him last longer against Foreman, but Foreman wouldn't be fighting the strange defensive fight that people keep producing against Wlad. Wlad has it pretty easy in this division, there are too many limited blobs stepping up for the payday. Nobody seems to be up for the fight.