Buster Douglas, Michael Moore, and maybe Frank Bruno LOL![]()
Buster Douglas, Michael Moore, and maybe Frank Bruno LOL![]()
I think he would beat a lot of the older generations of heavyweights due to his size alone. He's very good at keeping smaller fighters at the end of his jab and his right hand would be a formidable weapon against any opponent.
Not sure he would have beat Marciano, I would give Rocky the benefit of the doubt just because he never did loose.
He would have beat Archie Moore,
Michael Moore (the fighter lol)
Frank Bruno
Buster Douglas
And the best fighter he might have probably beat is Big Daddy Bowe, I actually think that would have been a very entertaining fight.
And for the record I think his brother is better than him and would have beat or at least stood a decent chance against a lot more atg's than he would have.
I can also see Wlad beating the following:
Tommy Morrison: he just didn't have the talent or style to hang with Wlad plus he didn't take punches all that great either.
Donovan Ruddock - dangerous puncher but seriously lazy in the ring and in training.
Michael Dokes - solid all around fighter but simply not a threat to Wlad
Ray Mercer - we saw what a very raw Wlad did to an old Mercer, I think the Prime vs Prime wouldn't be all that different.
Ron Lyle - dangerous, but wild and didn't have great stamina
I think Wlad would hold his own vs Tyson and Liston. Say what you will about how dangerous Mike Tyson is but if his style had one flaw (it didn't it had more than a few) it was fighters that used similar techniques as Wlad: good use of height, reach, the jab, solid defense, and tying up on the inside...Wlad is solid to above average in most of those areas which means he would have a chance...if he had an uppercut he'd be a sure thing. As for Liston, i just don't think he could handle the movement and the size of Wlad...sure Sonny could bang but he'd have to catch Wlad first and that is easier said than done
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That would be Michael Moorer
Michael Moorer
I think we all know Wlad would just flatten Shannon Briggs. Briggs in his day was a decent fighter with good handspeed and good pop, but I think Wlad would start up an asthma attack
Okay these are the guys I think he can beat.
John L. Sullivan: Too small and not as advanced yet
Max Baer: 1 hit wonder, and not all that skilled
Jack Dempsey: Too small and wild
Rocky Marciano: Too small and short
Floyd Patterson: too small and short
There you go, Wlad for sure can beat those former HW champs.
No way does Wlad beat Riddick Bowe. This is all fictional anyway. But I think you are a bit too much of a cheerleader for this guy. I mean let it go.
I think I'm pretty reasonable and rational with my explinations. I mean other than Holyfield and Golota there's nobody on Bowe's record that would really bother Wladimir and I highly doubt that even at his very best Golota would.
Riddick Bowe fought 0 big punchers that is a FACT. A very raw Lennox Lewis crushed Riddick Bowe in the amateurs and I'm thinking that may have had an effect on Bowe's choice of not taking on any big guns. I mean look at his record, only Pierre Coetzer stands out as a power threat. He didn't fight Lewis, Tyson, Ruddock, Bruno, Morrison, Moorer, Foreman...just Holyfield and Golota were threats to him and he was losing both fights vs Golota before the DQ's. Riddick Bowe's record being that of a former undisputed Heavyweight Champion is a really sorry one. Sorry if that offends you but Michael Dokes, Jesse Fergusson, Larry Donald, Elijah Tillary, and Buster Mathis Jr. aren't awe inspiring.
And just for the record I said that would be a 50-50 fight, Wlad would win 5 out of 10 meaning he would lose 5 as well....I don't think that's a "cheerleader" comment considering how I laid out my arguments for it....but feel free to chime in with your little gripes, I do enjoy them especially when they aren't backed up by any facts or evidence that would prove my points wrong.
Herbie Hide at his best was very dangerous, even though the Heavyweight division wasn't his legit weightclass. He still badly wobbled Riddick Bowe numerous times, and even hurt Vitali Klitschko in the 1st round. He also destroyed Tony Tucker in only 2 rounds.
I wouldn't be suprised if Herbie Hide done a Corrie Sanders, on Wladimir Klitschko. Herbie Hide is quick as hell, and has some serious power. Despite being a blown up Cruiserweight.
ICB, wow, I can't believe how much you underrate Wlad in all aspects. He is so hard too hit. He doesn't have that snapping KO power, but in terms of the power behind his shots it right up there with the All time heavy punchers in the sport.
I don't think its easy to underestimate Klitschko's speed because he cautious he doesn't really show just how fast his hands hard, but you can tell by the way he lands jabs so consistently that not only are his jabs hard to see coming, but they are very quick as well.
I honeslty see him beating most of the heavyweight champs in the history of the sport more often than not. He is way too big and skilled(especially at using his height) for almost anyone around 6 feet tall. At least this version of him.
I think the tall guys who had some power like Bowe would beat him, but I am not sure who I would favor in that fight because Bowe had some really bad fights along with the brilliant ones.
I can't see how any version of Holyfield would be really effective against Wlad. He always had a hard time with guys who could stay away.
I think Wlad has just as good of a jab as Holmes, it may not be as flashy, but its just as accurate and hits harder. I just think his size and power along with that jab would totally negate anything Holmes brings to the table, and I think that Aliesque movement wouldn't work for anyone except Ali against Wlad.
Basically I see Lennox beating Wlad virtually everytime. Same with Vitali. I see Ali winning 7-8/10. I just don't see other guys having enough size, coordination and skill to deal with such a talented individual. Sure there are guys like Foreman, Tyson, Dempsey, Frazier, even Shavers who could use power and/or speed to catch Wlad with a lucky punch but more often than not I see him pummeling them with the jab and stopping Dempsey, Frazier, and Shavers and maybe even Tyson.
Simply due to size I have him beating a fair few old heavies... but it's worth noting that most of those guys would be cruiserweights (if they were lucky! look at guys like Bradock and even a younger marciono, not that I think Wlad beats him at his best but to use Rocky as an example - he was heavyweight champ yet if he boxed today he could probably boil down to light heavy!) now days and didn't benefit from the advances we've made in sports and nutritional science...
Very hypothetical a lot of this because if you took the talent and potential that the older guys possessed and trained them nowadays who knows what you'd end up with!
Last edited by AdamGB; 01-23-2010 at 10:49 PM.
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