Does the Winner of Floyd-Mosley become #1 p4p?

[eagle]

Depends how dominating the win is i believe. If Floyd edges past Mosley then maybe not but if he wins in a lopsided fashion 'd say he'd have to be number 1.

Good call, I forgot to factor in how dominating the performance should be. If the winner of the Floyd-Mosley fight just wins by a close decision than Manny stays, but if it's a dominating performance he should be #1 imo.

I think that if Mosley wins a close but clear decision over Floyd he deserves some consideration for the #1 P4P spot. It's very debatable though.

So if Floyd dominates Shane he doesnt deserve to be P4P #1?

[CFH]

Good call, I forgot to factor in how dominating the performance should be. If the winner of the Floyd-Mosley fight just wins by a close decision than Manny stays, but if it's a dominating performance he should be #1 imo.

I think that if Mosley wins a close but clear decision over Floyd he deserves some consideration for the #1 P4P spot. It's very debatable though.

So if Floyd dominates Shane he doesnt deserve to be P4P #1?

No, I don't think he does. I would argue that Pacquiao's last three victories (Hatton, Cotto, Clottey [assuming he beats Clottey without controversy]) are more impressive than Marquez (the blown-up version Mayweather fought) and Mosley. Pacquiao dominated Hatton and Cotto and if he does the same to Clottey I don't think there is anyway I could argue that Mayweather deserves to be above him on a P4P list. That being said, I do think Mayweather is a better fighter, but his recent resume is lacking.

[eagle]

I think that if Mosley wins a close but clear decision over Floyd he deserves some consideration for the #1 P4P spot. It's very debatable though.

So if Floyd dominates Shane he doesnt deserve to be P4P #1?

No, I don't think he does. I would argue that Pacquiao's last three victories (Hatton, Cotto, Clottey [assuming he beats Clottey without controversy]) are more impressive than Marquez (the blown-up version Mayweather fought) and Mosley. Pacquiao dominated Hatton and Cotto and if he does the same to Clottey I don't think there is anyway I could argue that Mayweather deserves to be above him on a P4P list. That being said, I do think Mayweather is a better fighter, but his recent resume is lacking.

I tcan see how you would think that Pac was still more deserving than PBF, but im not sure how u can then say Shane would be more deserving than Pac. I mean here is a man who went 12 hard rounds with Mayorga 2 fights ago.

[CFH]

So if Floyd dominates Shane he doesnt deserve to be P4P #1?

No, I don't think he does. I would argue that Pacquiao's last three victories (Hatton, Cotto, Clottey [assuming he beats Clottey without controversy]) are more impressive than Marquez (the blown-up version Mayweather fought) and Mosley. Pacquiao dominated Hatton and Cotto and if he does the same to Clottey I don't think there is anyway I could argue that Mayweather deserves to be above him on a P4P list. That being said, I do think Mayweather is a better fighter, but his recent resume is lacking.

I tcan see how you would think that Pac was still more deserving than PBF, but im not sure how u can then say Shane would be more deserving than Pac. I mean here is a man who went 12 hard rounds with Mayorga 2 fights ago.

I base my argument for Mosley to be P4P #1 on his dominating upset victory over Margarito and his hypothetical upset win over Mayweather (which would be exponentially bigger than the Margarito victory, obviously). Mayweather is a better fighter than anyone Pacquiao has ever faced and a victory over him, by however slim a margin, combined with the Margarito knock out would edge wins over Hatton, Cotto, and Clottey IMO. If Mosley wins, which he won't, it would all be moot as he would certainly face Pacquiao in his next fight.

[fan johnny]

Are not P4P ranking is based on the hypothetical, the best fighter disregarding weight class? That would mean comparing Ring generalship, Boxing skill; offensive and defensive, style match, strength to an extent, endurance level, chin and effect aggression. The more fights a boxer has the more the hypothetical match-ups can be compared.

[knodaledge]

Are not P4P ranking is based on the hypothetical, the best fighter disregarding weight class? That would mean comparing Ring generalship, Boxing skill; offensive and defensive, style match, strength to an extent, endurance level, chin and effect aggression. The more fights a boxer has the more the hypothetical match-ups can be compared.

This.

Yes, quality of opposition is definitely a factor, but it is only 1 factor.

Considering that they plugged Mayweather in at the #2 spot for beating JMM, I think they'd put him at #1 if he beats Mosley (even if Pacquiao wins).

If both win, the only way I can see Pacquiao holding onto the ranking is if he beats Clottey in a dominating fashion & Floyd struggles with Mosley down to the wire.

Other than that, the p4p title isn't like a belt where you have to beat the man to take his spot. Beating the #3 ranked guy is way better than beating the #20+ ranked guy.

[TheMacMagician]

The winner of Mosely vs Mayweather becomes the No1 Welterweight. Balls to P4P........ I think we should just put that category to bed now.......

[Mark TKO]

I can see where you are coming from but I feel that regardless of the outcome none has done enough to oust Manny as no. 1 - they will need to face him first (or Clottey do a number on him !)

Had Manny been in a division where there was no chance of the winners meeting then I think you would defo be right and the winner of this would become number 1.

But he isn't

[mad_takamura]

So if Floyd dominates Shane he doesnt deserve to be P4P #1?

No, I don't think he does. I would argue that Pacquiao's last three victories (Hatton, Cotto, Clottey [assuming he beats Clottey without controversy]) are more impressive than Marquez (the blown-up version Mayweather fought) and Mosley. Pacquiao dominated Hatton and Cotto and if he does the same to Clottey I don't think there is anyway I could argue that Mayweather deserves to be above him on a P4P list. That being said, I do think Mayweather is a better fighter, but his recent resume is lacking.

I tcan see how you would think that Pac was still more deserving than PBF, but im not sure how u can then say Shane would be more deserving than Pac. I mean here is a man who went 12 hard rounds with Mayorga 2 fights ago.

You mean mayorga the gym-rat?

[Nameless]

I think that if Mosley wins a close but clear decision over Floyd he deserves some consideration for the #1 P4P spot. It's very debatable though.

So if Floyd dominates Shane he doesnt deserve to be P4P #1?

No, I don't think he does. I would argue that Pacquiao's last three victories (Hatton, Cotto, Clottey [assuming he beats Clottey without controversy]) are more impressive than Marquez (the blown-up version Mayweather fought) and Mosley. Pacquiao dominated Hatton and Cotto and if he does the same to Clottey I don't think there is anyway I could argue that Mayweather deserves to be above him on a P4P list. That being said, I do think Mayweather is a better fighter, but his recent resume is lacking.

More or less, that sums up pretty well what I think too. PAcman last opponents and fashion to blow them are more impressive (for the moment) than what Mayweather did accomplish in the past few fights and let'S include the fact that Mayweather has been 1 1/2 year off doing nothing in the meantime.

[Fenster]

Mosley can't be P4P no.1 even if he beats Floyd. Only two fights ago he was outboxed by Cotto. Look what the naturally much smaller Pac did to Cotto. And Pac has already looked more impressive beating Floyds opponents.

[djcione]

I think that if Mosley wins a close but clear decision over Floyd he deserves some consideration for the #1 P4P spot. It's very debatable though.

So if Floyd dominates Shane he doesnt deserve to be P4P #1?

No, I don't think he does. I would argue that Pacquiao's last three victories (Hatton, Cotto, Clottey [assuming he beats Clottey without controversy]) are more impressive than Marquez (the blown-up version Mayweather fought) and Mosley. Pacquiao dominated Hatton and Cotto and if he does the same to Clottey I don't think there is anyway I could argue that Mayweather deserves to be above him on a P4P list. That being said, I do think Mayweather is a better fighter, but his recent resume is lacking.

i disagree. Clottey is just another slow moving, straight up fighter who comes forward, rarely throws combinations, has little head movement and takes a lot of punches. He is in the same mold of Cotto and Hatton, but not as good as those two. Beating Clottey will be no big feat for MP.

While I certainly appreciate the devastating way Manny disposed of Hatton and Cotto, the fact remains that these 2 guys were damaged goods and were TAILOR MADE for MP!! Arum would never have it any other way for his cash cow. And, as others have pointed out-these last 2 wins may very well be suspect.

Mosely and FM are fighters of a different class. They know how to box and Manny has always had trouble with boxers who move, use the ring, slip punches and counter.

I'm convinced that Arum was the one who got scared and backed out of the Mayweather fight. Even Roach wasn't confident that he could prepare MP in such a short time to fight someone like Floyd. And, Arum clearly showed that he didn't want any part of Shane who was begging him for a fight and was willing to do that a much lower weight than 147.