The Definitive PED article

[Kirkland Laing]

The work ethic of both Mayweather and Pacquiao are perfect examples to young athletes of what can be achieved through hard work and determination.

Yes, they're both in the gym 365 days a year. Apart from when they're both making films, making records, or campaigning for political office. Oh wait!

[JazMerkin]

Just read this, it's an interview with David Howman, the head of WADA, who is very critical of boxing's drug-testing procedures.

INTERVIEW - Lack of drug testing a concern, says WADA | Sports | Reuters

Key quotes from Howman

"There are countless numbers of bodies that profess to be running boxing and holding boxing fights, none of them fall under any umbrella body that has made any attempt to be a part of WADA"

"It is obvious they (organising bodies) are not making any attempt to clean up their sport and that leaves us with, not only a lot of concern, but a pretty nasty taste in the mouth"

"There have been sufficient incidents in the world of professional boxing to show there has been doping in the past and you would have to be pretty stupid to think it wouldn't be continuing so why are they not doing anything about it?"

"I would anticipate at some stage common sense will prevail. Generally speaking it will be the clean athlete that wants to show he is fighting clean and if the others are not, then why not?"

Anyway, I didn't think it was worth creating a new thread about, but I thought I'd raise it as another example of an external anti-doping authority criticizing boxing's testing procedures. Hopefully all this pressure will force some kind of change.

[killersheep]

Just read this, it's an interview with David Howman, the head of WADA, who is very critical of boxing's drug-testing procedures.

INTERVIEW - Lack of drug testing a concern, says WADA | Sports | Reuters

Key quotes from Howman

"There are countless numbers of bodies that profess to be running boxing and holding boxing fights, none of them fall under any umbrella body that has made any attempt to be a part of WADA"

"It is obvious they (organising bodies) are not making any attempt to clean up their sport and that leaves us with, not only a lot of concern, but a pretty nasty taste in the mouth"

"There have been sufficient incidents in the world of professional boxing to show there has been doping in the past and you would have to be pretty stupid to think it wouldn't be continuing so why are they not doing anything about it?"

"I would anticipate at some stage common sense will prevail. Generally speaking it will be the clean athlete that wants to show he is fighting clean and if the others are not, then why not?"

Anyway, I didn't think it was worth creating a new thread about, but I thought I'd raise it as another example of an external anti-doping authority criticizing boxing's testing procedures. Hopefully all this pressure will force some kind of change.

How dare the WADA try to undermine the rules of the NSAC?

[JazMerkin]

Just read this, it's an interview with David Howman, the head of WADA, who is very critical of boxing's drug-testing procedures.

INTERVIEW - Lack of drug testing a concern, says WADA | Sports | Reuters

Key quotes from Howman

"There are countless numbers of bodies that profess to be running boxing and holding boxing fights, none of them fall under any umbrella body that has made any attempt to be a part of WADA"

"It is obvious they (organising bodies) are not making any attempt to clean up their sport and that leaves us with, not only a lot of concern, but a pretty nasty taste in the mouth"

"There have been sufficient incidents in the world of professional boxing to show there has been doping in the past and you would have to be pretty stupid to think it wouldn't be continuing so why are they not doing anything about it?"

"I would anticipate at some stage common sense will prevail. Generally speaking it will be the clean athlete that wants to show he is fighting clean and if the others are not, then why not?"

Anyway, I didn't think it was worth creating a new thread about, but I thought I'd raise it as another example of an external anti-doping authority criticizing boxing's testing procedures. Hopefully all this pressure will force some kind of change.

How dare the WADA try to undermine the rules of the NSAC?

They're in Oscar and Floyd's pocket.

Floyd Sr shot the sheriff, Roger shot the deputy.

Jesus was part of the NSAC before he died for our sin.

Golden Boy Promotions are responsible for 9/11.

[generalbulldog]

I agree that there should be more stringent testing in boxing, but if WADA and USADA is so great at catching cheaters and punishing them, then how come certain nation's athletes bypasses the tests and there is some hint at favoritism and cover ups? So what's the difference between Carl Lewis and Ben Johnson? 1 is American the other isn't. Seems like 100 American Olympians were caught but were still allowed to compete.

Carl Lewis's positive test covered up - smh.com.au

BTW, I still feel that Pacquiao should do the tests and possibly muscle biopsy of both participants in the future of the bout between Floyd and Manny. It's just to me that people are trumpeting these American doping agencies as morally sound and are trying to ensure an level playing field, when that's not the case.

[JazMerkin]

I agree that there should be more stringent testing in boxing, but if WADA and USADA is so great at catching cheaters and punishing them, then how come certain nation's athletes bypasses the tests and there is some hint at favoritism and cover ups? So what's the difference between Carl Lewis and Ben Johnson? 1 is American the other isn't. Seems like 100 American Olympians were caught but were still allowed to compete.

Carl Lewis's positive test covered up - smh.com.au

BTW, I still feel that Pacquiao should do the tests and possibly muscle biopsy of both participants in the future of the bout between Floyd and Manny. It's just to me that people are trumpeting these American doping agencies as morally sound and are trying to ensure an level playing field, when that's not the case.

Of course there have been cover-ups, but the people running WADA are not the same people. It's not perfect, but it is far better than the current system. Plus, there are many athletes of different nations caught, America certainly seems to lead, probably due to many of the best 'dopers' being US based, but that's no reason to punish those who haven't cheated. No country should be subject to the failures of its athletes to be clean.

Oh and muscle biopsy will never happen. If Manny doesn't like giving blood, how will he feel about giving a piece of flesh

[generalbulldog]

I agree that there should be more stringent testing in boxing, but if WADA and USADA is so great at catching cheaters and punishing them, then how come certain nation's athletes bypasses the tests and there is some hint at favoritism and cover ups? So what's the difference between Carl Lewis and Ben Johnson? 1 is American the other isn't. Seems like 100 American Olympians were caught but were still allowed to compete.

Carl Lewis's positive test covered up - smh.com.au

BTW, I still feel that Pacquiao should do the tests and possibly muscle biopsy of both participants in the future of the bout between Floyd and Manny. It's just to me that people are trumpeting these American doping agencies as morally sound and are trying to ensure an level playing field, when that's not the case.

Of course there have been cover-ups, but the people running WADA are not the same people. It's not perfect, but it is far better than the current system. Plus, there are many athletes of different nations caught, America certainly seems to lead, probably due to many of the best 'dopers' being US based, but that's no reason to punish those who haven't cheated. No country should be subject to the failures of its athletes to be clean.

Oh and muscle biopsy will never happen. If Manny doesn't like giving blood, how will he feel about giving a piece of flesh

Just wishful thinking on my part about the muscle biopsy, but anyways Manny needs to do some sort of stringent testing I feel to clear his name if he's not on anything.

And of course other athletes from other nations are caught, but when 100 of them are from a certain nation and is covered up, it makes one become cynical about the whole process and wary of it. For the 2010 Winter games it has been announced that many athletes were caught from other nations, but then you have some official come out grins broadly and say no American athlete is caught, then it just makes me chuckled. BTW I was on the ESPN message boards, and the feeling is that America is a good clean nation of athletes, not dirty like those foreigners.

More than 30 athletes barred from Vancouver Olympics after failed tests - ESPN

[Nameless]

It is not very complicated:

New forms of steroids are developed every now and then: always improved versions, harder to detect and requiring new techniques and more imagination to be discovered. Wouldn't it be from an unknown source who did give some crucial informations, we couldn't detect the famous "clear" created a few years ago at Balco and many athletes such as Marion Jones would never have been caught. Urine nowaday aren't enough to detect some type of specific steroids, that's part of the evolution, measure/counter measure waltzing together in an eternal circle.
THe laws and techniques by many modern agencies (including the Nevada State Commissions) are old and now obsolete to the new challenges posed by modern chemistry and technologies and to keep its composure and credibility, these agencies must evolve with the problem and react in consequence.
To make an analogy with the second world war: -
You develop huge big ships to send stuff to England? We'll develop submarines to sink them.
- Really? Here comes some marine charges on your head, fellow.
- Ok, here comes the snorkel, now we can go deeper where your mines can't affect us.
- No problem, here comes the new dept charges.

That's how it goes, the game of the cat and the mouse except that if you stick to a system and refuse to adapt, it's to admit that the mouse will win. Pac-Mayweather just underlined that problem, improved tests shouldn't be only good for them but for all boxers and I will never be impressed by the argument that a few drops of blood are too much for top notch athletes.