Resumes - Mayweather vs Pacquiao

[levi#1BoxingFan]

Pacquiao has the better resume. Pound for pound Barrera, Morales, and Cotto are all three better than anyone Floyd has faced. Im not taking the JMM fight into consideration because obviously he doesnt belong at 147.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Pacquiao has the better resume. Pound for pound Barrera, Morales, and Cotto are all three better than anyone Floyd has faced. Im not taking the JMM fight into consideration because obviously he doesnt belong at 147.

and Pacquiao's wins over Morales came clearly after Morales was past his best, i'd say their resumes are about even, Mayweather taking on big names like Chavez, Hernandez, and Corrales before they had their biggest win or best showing and Pacquiao taking on the others after they passed their peak, guess it's a glass half empty kinda thing

[ICB]

Pacquiao has the better resume. Pound for pound Barrera, Morales, and Cotto are all three better than anyone Floyd has faced. Im not taking the JMM fight into consideration because obviously he doesnt belong at 147.

and Pacquiao's wins over Morales came clearly after Morales was past his best, i'd say their resumes are about even, Mayweather taking on big names like Chavez, Hernandez, and Corrales before they had their biggest win or best showing and Pacquiao taking on the others after they passed their peak, guess it's a glass half empty kinda thing

Jesus Chavez, Carlos Hernandez, are good fighters. But i'd hardly call them big names, i mean in truth there only really known for there losses. Not there wins, i agree about the Erik Morales fights though.

Erik Morales had clearly seen better days losing to MAB a 2nd time, then an embarrassing loss to Zahir Raheem. But Manny Pacquiao still deserves his dues for beating MAB the 1st time, because MAB was P4P top 5 and had a string of impressive wins.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Pacquiao has the better resume. Pound for pound Barrera, Morales, and Cotto are all three better than anyone Floyd has faced. Im not taking the JMM fight into consideration because obviously he doesnt belong at 147.

and Pacquiao's wins over Morales came clearly after Morales was past his best, i'd say their resumes are about even, Mayweather taking on big names like Chavez, Hernandez, and Corrales before they had their biggest win or best showing and Pacquiao taking on the others after they passed their peak, guess it's a glass half empty kinda thing

Jesus Chavez, Carlos Hernandez, are good fighters. But i'd hardly call them big names, i mean in truth there only really known for there losses. Not there wins, i agree about the Erik Morales fights though.

Erik Morales had clearly seen better days losing to MAB a 2nd time, then an embarrassing loss to Zahir Raheem. But Manny Pacquiao still deserves his dues for beating MAB the 1st time, because MAB was P4P top 5 and had a string of impressive wins.

i completely agree, Barrera gave no signs of slowing down heading into that fight, and he rebounded nicely after the loss, so Pacquiao should be given full credit for the first win

[JJson]

Pacquiao has the better resume. Pound for pound Barrera, Morales, and Cotto are all three better than anyone Floyd has faced. Im not taking the JMM fight into consideration because obviously he doesnt belong at 147.

Rubbish. Name one fighter that Manny fought that could have beaten Diego Corrales at the time he fought PBF. Corrales would have done to Cotto what Margarito did to him earlier, and without paddings. He would have destroyed all the fighters Manny beat, and then some. His long reach and power would have devasted everyone on Manny's list, and he would have pulverized Manny.

The problem with you guys, is that your hate for PBF has the effect of lobotomizing your brains. You have to be a Steinbeck's Lennie to assert that Barrera, Morales and Cotto were better than Diego Corrales before he was destroyed by a young Mayweather.

I agree with the general analysis of the thread starter, but feel that he is taking it easy on Mannie because of the Public sentiment. That sentiment surrenders logic in pursuit of emotionalism. This is a situation in which one athlete proposed random drug testing prior to their athletic engagement. The emotional reaction from PBF haters is presented as though PBF demanded that Manny do something he was not prepared to do. I mean I get cognitive dissonance from reading some the reasonings and rationales being presented to defend Manny's ducking out of random drug testing. Because that is, in effect, what he did. He ducked out of random drug testing, and then filed a lawsuit to ostensibly regain his good name.

A little advice for Manny and his infatuated assembley. Lawyers and pussyfooting businessmen file lawsuits to regain their good names. Fighters accomplish that with their fists.

[Mar]

Both guys have great resumes....no need to shit on one fighter to say another is good. I'm equally impressed with both for different reasons. Pac has been a beast as of late and floyd has cruised through just about everyone he's faced. Before fights these guys are the so called "one" then floyd beats them and all of the sudden they are old, small, blah, blah. Funny that's not the case when all hopes are high and the ppv cash is being handed over before hand but ah well......we're actually a couple of months away from the same being said about shane.

[Althugz]

[quote=Mar;841810]Both guys have great resumes....quote]

I think that's the bottom line really..and as CFH said, Manny will certainly go down as one of the ATG's. I don't really wanna shit on either fighters resume, just trying to get into the mind of certain fans and the way they think. That's what led me to compare.

Guys, do we have to go back to talking about the drug testing lol You know we got plenty of time to talk about that shit in a few more months again

[JazMerkin]

Their resumes are basically equivalent, although I'd give Manny a slight edge as of right now, although should both win their next fights, I think the Mosley win would push Mayweather's just ahead. The easiest way to look at is the number of hall of famers they have both faced.

Pacquiao: (Certain HoFers) Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales, Juan Manuel Marquez, Oscar De La Hoya (Probable) Ricky Hatton, Miguel Cotto, Chatchai Sasakul (Possible but unlikely) Jorge Solis, Oscar Larios

Mayweather: (Certain HoFers) Genaro Hernandez, Diego Corrales, Juan Manuel Marquez, Oscar De La Hoya (Probable) Jose Luis Castillo, Arturo Gatti, Ricky Hatton (Possible but unlikely) Zab Judah, Jesus Chavez

So that's pretty close to even, but with Pacquiao having a slight edge. Part of the whole 'ducking' issue also comes down to where people watch fights. Anything below Lightweight doesn't get much attention, even among many fans. You can make an argument that Mayweather should have fought Margarito or Cotto, however you can equally make the same argument for Pacquiao with the likes of Joan Guzman, Nate Campbell or Humberto Soto at the lower weights. In the end, both have taken more than enough dangerous fights and have probably the best resumes in the sport and once their careers are over, the fights they 'ducked' will be forgotten in favour of realizing just how many dangerous opponents they fought.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

There are those who believe that Manny Pacquiao was defeated by & then beat past his prime Erik Morales, lost twice to Juan Manuel Marquez, beat a mediocre David Diaz, a shell & weight drained Oscar dela Hoya, a no-defense & never elite boxer in Ricky Hatton and a damaged Miguel Cotto.

Just out of curiosity, this is my question to those who do not find Manny's accomplishment as impressive nor do they find his resume to be better than Floyd's. Is it then justifiable for Floyd Mayweather to demand that Manny go through a rigid blood test for PEDs considering that Manny is just average (even below average as some thinks) & is even the underdog in that fight?

[Hornfinger]

Pacquiao has the better resume. Pound for pound Barrera, Morales, and Cotto are all three better than anyone Floyd has faced. Im not taking the JMM fight into consideration because obviously he doesnt belong at 147.

No. Morales and cotto were damaged when pac beat them. Especially cotto. If cotto hadn't been beaten up by margarito before pac fought him Id think different. That boy was damaged though.

Should add the resume number of drug tests avoided....

[ICB]

Pacquiao has the better resume. Pound for pound Barrera, Morales, and Cotto are all three better than anyone Floyd has faced. Im not taking the JMM fight into consideration because obviously he doesnt belong at 147.

No. Morales and cotto were damaged when pac beat them. Especially cotto. If cotto hadn't been beaten up by margarito before pac fought him Id think different. That boy was damaged though.

Should add the resume number of drug tests avoided....

Forgetting all this steroid nonsense, because theres no 100 percent proof yet. Miguel Cotto still managed to beat Joshua Clottey, and destroy a decent fighter in Michael Jennings. I don't think he was that "damaged". And the way Manny Pacquiao dominated Miguel Cotto, i don't really see how much different it could of been.

[rjj tszyu]

Pacquiao has the better resume. Pound for pound Barrera, Morales, and Cotto are all three better than anyone Floyd has faced. Im not taking the JMM fight into consideration because obviously he doesnt belong at 147.

I disagree. Cotto was not as good a win as PBF over 154lbs ODLH coming off his destruction of Mayorga. Pac fought an absolute shadow of that man at a weight he couldn't make.

[ICB]

Pacquiao has the better resume. Pound for pound Barrera, Morales, and Cotto are all three better than anyone Floyd has faced. Im not taking the JMM fight into consideration because obviously he doesnt belong at 147.

I disagree. Cotto was not as good a win as PBF over 154lbs ODLH coming off his destruction of Mayorga. Pac fought an absolute shadow of that man at a weight he couldn't make.

I think thats debatable, yes ODLH did destroy Ricardo Mayorga. But again he fought Floyd Mayweather Jr a year after that fight. And he had only 3 fights in almost 3 years, it was still a good win. Considering ODLH had all the advantages.

But again Manny Pacquiao did destroy Miguel Cotto, leaving no real doubt. Maybe Miguel Cotto had seen better days after the Antonio Margarito fight, but ODLH was hardly at his peak either. And Manny Pacquiao in his last few fights did move up in weight and destroy fighters, no one thought he had a chance against.