Floyd: Manny can forget 50/50 split and 14 day cutoff date

[ElTerribleMorales]

To be honest Mayweather is a bigger PPV draw and he only agreed to 50/ 50 as pacs last PPV against a largely successful ppv opponent did well.

Have to disagree there mate, Pac deserves at least 50/50 here's a look at there PPV numbers before and after there fights with Dela Hoya

Mayweather's Highest PPV before De la Hoya:

Zab Judah - 374,000
Arturo Gatti - 365,000
Carlos Baldomir - 325,000

TOTAL : 1,064,000


Pacquiao's Highest PPV Fights before De la Hoya:

Juan Manuel Marquez Rematch - 400,000
Erik Morales 3rd Match - 360,000
Marco Antonio Barrera Rematch - 350,000

TOTAL: 1,110,000


Mayweather Fights after De la Hoya

Juan Manuel Marquez - 1,050,000
Ricky Hatton - 925,000

TOTAL: 1,975,000

Pacquiao Fights after De la Hoya

Miguel Cotto - 1,250,000
Ricky Hatton - 850,000

TOTAL: 2,100,000


The Mosley fight will probably do a couple of hundred thousand more but the same argument for comparing Pac/Cotto - Mayweather/JMM, could be used with the two fights coming up, with Mayweather having the less attractive ppv then and now Pac having the same situation.

But on the other hand you can look at these numbers below and say Floyd deserves more:

Marquez-Pacquiao 400k
Marquez-Mayweather 1.1Mill

Hatton-Pacquiao 850k
Hatton-Mayweather 950k

De La Hoya-Pacquiao 1.6Mill
De La Hoya-Mayweather 2.4Mill


But the timing of these fights had a big bearing, and the situation for instance Dela Hoya v Mayweather was seen as alot closer fight on paper than Pac Dela Hoya, everyone thought Pac would get blown away. Hard to say but looking at all figures 50/50 is fair imo.

you can also throw in that Barrera, Morales, and Marquez have a bigger fan base than Judah and Baldomir

[mnmc10]

you can also throw in that Barrera, Morales, and Marquez have a bigger fan base than Judah and Baldomir

also proving that pac had better opposition than pbf.

[eagle]

you can also throw in that Barrera, Morales, and Marquez have a bigger fan base than Judah and Baldomir

also proving that pac had better opposition than pbf.

Haha and lost to one and drew with another. So your now saying drawing power is directly linked to a fighters quality?
The thread is about who is the bigger draw and when u look a common opponents Floyd by far outsells Pac.

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Fact is, when Floyd beats Shane, die hard Pac fans will be the only people on the planet who would still have Floyd p4p #2. Floyd will be the consensus #1 fighter in the world, and we all know Mayweather-Mosley will sell more than Pacquiao-Clottey. When you're the top dog, the odds on favorite to win, AND the bigger draw, you will get, and deserve to get, more money. And people need to stop going back 4 and 5 years looking at their ppv numbers. The bigger draw means who's consistently been drawing more lately. If Freddie Roach and Manny are gonna cry that Mosley is a bigger draw than Clottey that's their own fault, since they had their pick of the litter on who Pacquiao was going to fight before Floyd and could have challenged Shane.

[Youngblood]

Fact is, when Floyd beats Shane, die hard Pac fans will be the only people on the planet who would still have Floyd p4p #2. Floyd will be the consensus #1 fighter in the world, and we all know Mayweather-Mosley will sell more than Pacquiao-Clottey. When you're the top dog, the odds on favorite to win, AND the bigger draw, you will get, and deserve to get, more money. And people need to stop going back 4 and 5 years looking at their ppv numbers. The bigger draw means who's consistently been drawing more lately. If Freddie Roach and Manny are gonna cry that Mosley is a bigger draw than Clottey that's their own fault, since they had their pick of the litter on who Pacquiao was going to fight before Floyd and could have challenged Shane.

anyone want to elaborate on this?

[Gandalf]

I don't really care about the money issue as that is for homosexuals. I like the actual fights and fighters and promoters can worry about the dirty dollars.

I do care much more about the drugs testing because I believe it is valid and important for boxing. Mayweather is RIGHT to be pushing it and it was good to see him demand it of Mosley too. It shows consistency. People saying "oh well Mayweather is ducking Pac already" (which is what I have read on other forums too) are nuts. Manny has already ducked Floyd because either he doesn't want to fight or else is hiding something. If the fight never happens it is not Mayweathers fault. Mosley is able to fight him and yet under the same conditions Manny couldn't? And all the false excuses that went with it too?

I can't stand Mayweather, but I see things as they are. Mayweather will do much better than Pac in their next fights. Pac has been damaged by the allegations and Clottey is coming off a loss and isn't fan friendly. Mosley though out for a while is a name and coming off a good win. Mayweather will hold all the cards (IF he wins) and in terms of testing he will be right to erase all testing windows.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Fact is, when Floyd beats Shane, die hard Pac fans will be the only people on the planet who would still have Floyd p4p #2. Floyd will be the consensus #1 fighter in the world, and we all know Mayweather-Mosley will sell more than Pacquiao-Clottey. When you're the top dog, the odds on favorite to win, AND the bigger draw, you will get, and deserve to get, more money. And people need to stop going back 4 and 5 years looking at their ppv numbers. The bigger draw means who's consistently been drawing more lately. If Freddie Roach and Manny are gonna cry that Mosley is a bigger draw than Clottey that's their own fault, since they had their pick of the litter on who Pacquiao was going to fight before Floyd and could have challenged Shane.

anyone want to elaborate on this?

Manny Pacquiao could not have chosen Shane bec. by the time his bout with Clottey was finalized, Shane was still scheduled to fight Berto. After the Pac-Mayweather bout did not materialize, Clottey was the next best available fighter at that time .

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Fact is, when Floyd beats Shane, die hard Pac fans will be the only people on the planet who would still have Floyd p4p #2. Floyd will be the consensus #1 fighter in the world, and we all know Mayweather-Mosley will sell more than Pacquiao-Clottey. When you're the top dog, the odds on favorite to win, AND the bigger draw, you will get, and deserve to get, more money. And people need to stop going back 4 and 5 years looking at their ppv numbers. The bigger draw means who's consistently been drawing more lately. If Freddie Roach and Manny are gonna cry that Mosley is a bigger draw than Clottey that's their own fault, since they had their pick of the litter on who Pacquiao was going to fight before Floyd and could have challenged Shane.

anyone want to elaborate on this?

Manny Pacquiao could not have chosen Shane bec. by the time his bout with Clottey was finalized, Shane was still scheduled to fight Berto. After the Pac-Mayweather bout did not materialize, Clottey was the next best available fighter at that time .

Pacquiao and camp chose Clottey less than 2 weeks before Mosley-Berto was to take place. Berto pulled out only days before the fight in wake of the Haiti quake. All Pacquiao had to do was wait for what they thought would be the fight and had Shane won they could have entered into negotiations. They knew damn well whoever would have won Mosley-Berto would be the best available opponent. Floyd didn't even look elsewhere until Pacquiao made it clear he was signing on to fight someone else.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

anyone want to elaborate on this?

Manny Pacquiao could not have chosen Shane bec. by the time his bout with Clottey was finalized, Shane was still scheduled to fight Berto. After the Pac-Mayweather bout did not materialize, Clottey was the next best available fighter at that time .

Pacquiao and camp chose Clottey less than 2 weeks before Mosley-Berto was to take place. Berto pulled out only days before the fight in wake of the Haiti quake. All Pacquiao had to do was wait for what they thought would be the fight and had Shane won they could have entered into negotiations. They knew damn well whoever would have won Mosley-Berto would be the best available opponent. Floyd didn't even look elsewhere until Pacquiao made it clear he was signing on to fight someone else.

If Manny was to wait for the winner of the Mosley-Berto fight, when do you think their bout would be? Manny is running for political office in his country hence would be unable to fight four to six months after the Mosley-Berto bout. That's why he's trying to have a fight in March. He wants to stay as active as possible. So why wasn't Floyd waiting to see who the winner of that bout will be? Why were Paulie Malignagi or Matthew Hatton even considered as possible opponents?

My question to you, who then would have been the best opponent for Manny Pacquiao after the collapse of his megafight with Mayweather?

[Majesty]

Pacquiao only has himself to blame and Bob Arum as well.

Everything was on the table and what did he refuse? Drug tests! DRUG TESTS!!!

And then his promotional team tried to make Mayweather look bad by quickly making a fight a day later lol.

Mayweather waited... and got Mosley. And now he is holding the cards.

Mayweather is in control now whether Arum/Pacquiao like it or not and they only have themselves to blame.

[Dench]

To be honest Mayweather is a bigger PPV draw and he only agreed to 50/ 50 as pacs last PPV against a largely successful ppv opponent did well.

Have to disagree there mate, Pac deserves at least 50/50 here's a look at there PPV numbers before and after there fights with Dela Hoya

Mayweather's Highest PPV before De la Hoya:

Zab Judah - 374,000
Arturo Gatti - 365,000
Carlos Baldomir - 325,000

TOTAL : 1,064,000


Pacquiao's Highest PPV Fights before De la Hoya:

Juan Manuel Marquez Rematch - 400,000
Erik Morales 3rd Match - 360,000
Marco Antonio Barrera Rematch - 350,000

TOTAL: 1,110,000


Mayweather Fights after De la Hoya

Juan Manuel Marquez - 1,050,000
Ricky Hatton - 925,000

TOTAL: 1,975,000

Pacquiao Fights after De la Hoya

Miguel Cotto - 1,250,000
Ricky Hatton - 850,000

TOTAL: 2,100,000


The Mosley fight will probably do a couple of hundred thousand more but the same argument for comparing Pac/Cotto - Mayweather/JMM, could be used with the two fights coming up, with Mayweather having the less attractive ppv then and now Pac having the same situation.

But on the other hand you can look at these numbers below and say Floyd deserves more:

Marquez-Pacquiao 400k
Marquez-Mayweather 1.1Mill

Hatton-Pacquiao 850k
Hatton-Mayweather 950k

De La Hoya-Pacquiao 1.6Mill
De La Hoya-Mayweather 2.4Mill


But the timing of these fights had a big bearing, and the situation for instance Dela Hoya v Mayweather was seen as alot closer fight on paper than Pac Dela Hoya, everyone thought Pac would get blown away. Hard to say but looking at all figures 50/50 is fair imo.

you can also throw in that Barrera, Morales, and Marquez have a bigger fan base than Judah and Baldomir

So as Dela hoya, Hatton and of course Mosley.

Floyd making these demands and rules this early is a testament that he really doesnt want to fight Pacman. Whatever happens on his fight vs Mosley, Floyd will never let that fight against Pacman to materialize.

Im rooting for Mosley to win, but I have a feeling the Floyd will just run and dance away while bitch-slapping mosley, and will get points for those slaps. He's good at it anyway so I must give credit to him.

[Gandalf]

Have to disagree there mate, Pac deserves at least 50/50 here's a look at there PPV numbers before and after there fights with Dela Hoya

Mayweather's Highest PPV before De la Hoya:

Zab Judah - 374,000
Arturo Gatti - 365,000
Carlos Baldomir - 325,000

TOTAL : 1,064,000


Pacquiao's Highest PPV Fights before De la Hoya:

Juan Manuel Marquez Rematch - 400,000
Erik Morales 3rd Match - 360,000
Marco Antonio Barrera Rematch - 350,000

TOTAL: 1,110,000


Mayweather Fights after De la Hoya

Juan Manuel Marquez - 1,050,000
Ricky Hatton - 925,000

TOTAL: 1,975,000

Pacquiao Fights after De la Hoya

Miguel Cotto - 1,250,000
Ricky Hatton - 850,000

TOTAL: 2,100,000


The Mosley fight will probably do a couple of hundred thousand more but the same argument for comparing Pac/Cotto - Mayweather/JMM, could be used with the two fights coming up, with Mayweather having the less attractive ppv then and now Pac having the same situation.

But on the other hand you can look at these numbers below and say Floyd deserves more:

Marquez-Pacquiao 400k
Marquez-Mayweather 1.1Mill

Hatton-Pacquiao 850k
Hatton-Mayweather 950k

De La Hoya-Pacquiao 1.6Mill
De La Hoya-Mayweather 2.4Mill


But the timing of these fights had a big bearing, and the situation for instance Dela Hoya v Mayweather was seen as alot closer fight on paper than Pac Dela Hoya, everyone thought Pac would get blown away. Hard to say but looking at all figures 50/50 is fair imo.

you can also throw in that Barrera, Morales, and Marquez have a bigger fan base than Judah and Baldomir

So as Dela hoya, Hatton and of course Mosley.

Floyd making these demands and rules this early is a testament that he really doesnt want to fight Pacman. Whatever happens on his fight vs Mosley, Floyd will never let that fight against Pacman to materialize.

Im rooting for Mosley to win, but I have a feeling the Floyd will just run and dance away while bitch-slapping mosley, and will get points for those slaps. He's good at it anyway so I must give credit to him.

You see, this is what I am talking about. Manny has already ducked Floyd. A refusal to allow random drug testing is warning sign enough and that's without getting onto the issue of money. The fight won't happen because Manny already refuses to prove himself a clean athlete. It's that simple.

[Dench]

you can also throw in that Barrera, Morales, and Marquez have a bigger fan base than Judah and Baldomir

So as Dela hoya, Hatton and of course Mosley.

Floyd making these demands and rules this early is a testament that he really doesnt want to fight Pacman. Whatever happens on his fight vs Mosley, Floyd will never let that fight against Pacman to materialize.

Im rooting for Mosley to win, but I have a feeling the Floyd will just run and dance away while bitch-slapping mosley, and will get points for those slaps. He's good at it anyway so I must give credit to him.

You see, this is what I am talking about. Manny has already ducked Floyd. A refusal to allow random drug testing is warning sign enough and that's without getting onto the issue of money. The fight won't happen because Manny already refuses to prove himself a clean athlete. It's that simple.

I think the only way to have this settled is when all the commissions consider Olympic style drug testing for all bouts -- titled and non-title fights. This way Floyd does not need to demand this to simply duck fighters he feared.. Pacman says he will submit to any test that the sanctioning body will require. He did not let Floyd make his own rules over him.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Have to disagree there mate, Pac deserves at least 50/50 here's a look at there PPV numbers before and after there fights with Dela Hoya

Mayweather's Highest PPV before De la Hoya:

Zab Judah - 374,000
Arturo Gatti - 365,000
Carlos Baldomir - 325,000

TOTAL : 1,064,000


Pacquiao's Highest PPV Fights before De la Hoya:

Juan Manuel Marquez Rematch - 400,000
Erik Morales 3rd Match - 360,000
Marco Antonio Barrera Rematch - 350,000

TOTAL: 1,110,000


Mayweather Fights after De la Hoya

Juan Manuel Marquez - 1,050,000
Ricky Hatton - 925,000

TOTAL: 1,975,000

Pacquiao Fights after De la Hoya

Miguel Cotto - 1,250,000
Ricky Hatton - 850,000

TOTAL: 2,100,000


The Mosley fight will probably do a couple of hundred thousand more but the same argument for comparing Pac/Cotto - Mayweather/JMM, could be used with the two fights coming up, with Mayweather having the less attractive ppv then and now Pac having the same situation.

But on the other hand you can look at these numbers below and say Floyd deserves more:

Marquez-Pacquiao 400k
Marquez-Mayweather 1.1Mill

Hatton-Pacquiao 850k
Hatton-Mayweather 950k

De La Hoya-Pacquiao 1.6Mill
De La Hoya-Mayweather 2.4Mill


But the timing of these fights had a big bearing, and the situation for instance Dela Hoya v Mayweather was seen as alot closer fight on paper than Pac Dela Hoya, everyone thought Pac would get blown away. Hard to say but looking at all figures 50/50 is fair imo.

you can also throw in that Barrera, Morales, and Marquez have a bigger fan base than Judah and Baldomir

So as Dela hoya, Hatton and of course Mosley.

Floyd making these demands and rules this early is a testament that he really doesnt want to fight Pacman. Whatever happens on his fight vs Mosley, Floyd will never let that fight against Pacman to materialize.

Im rooting for Mosley to win, but I have a feeling the Floyd will just run and dance away while bitch-slapping mosley, and will get points for those slaps. He's good at it anyway so I must give credit to him.

ummm, the fight didn't happen cause Pacquiao was too much of a bitch to take a simple blood test, the same type of blood tests Mosley had accepted, nice try though

[Dench]

you can also throw in that Barrera, Morales, and Marquez have a bigger fan base than Judah and Baldomir

So as Dela hoya, Hatton and of course Mosley.

Floyd making these demands and rules this early is a testament that he really doesnt want to fight Pacman. Whatever happens on his fight vs Mosley, Floyd will never let that fight against Pacman to materialize.

Im rooting for Mosley to win, but I have a feeling the Floyd will just run and dance away while bitch-slapping mosley, and will get points for those slaps. He's good at it anyway so I must give credit to him.

ummm, the fight didn't happen cause Pacquiao was too much of a bitch to take a simple blood test, the same type of blood tests Mosley had accepted, nice try though

Because Floyd demands it does not mean that anyone has to follow. Pacman had the right stand on this. If those test will be required by the commission, then they will respectfully submit to those blood test. But Floyd and their camp are the ones pushing for this with no basis. Whats their basis again?

Mosley accepted the blood test procedures to clear his name out of accusations. Floyd had the basis on why they should ask Mosley to this test anyway -- Mosley was a self-confessed PED user in the past. Thats the basis.

With Pacman, what their basis? Roger's story about A-meth kind of thing that make Filipinos bullet-proof?