Has Manny Paquiao's reputation taken a serious hit as a result of recent goings on?

[Lance Uppercut]

Passing up 40 million dollars in order to avoid being tested for PEDs; I think this will hurt his legacy.

[Nameless]

Personally, to me, quite a lot. Overall, I think it's only marginally because he has that huge army of trolls following and drinking everything he said plus many boxing "fans" are more on the surface than the total deepness of the whole thing. So marginally overall but a lot to me.

[cnote111]

Hell no,

Until something is concrete he is still the man. Until he is beaten or proven guilty of cheating without a shadow of a doubt, then he will remain the man. All this he said she said allegation bullshit can kiss my ass. If I claim to be a Pac fan, why on earth would i ditch him just because of what other people think. If that was the case no fighter would have any fucking fans! Pacquiao has done more then enough to prove his worth in gold, and every fighter in the world that is somewhat in the limelight can be picked apart and questioned in some shape or form. He's not even claiming a GOAT status, he always extends his hands to help his people and the less fortunate, and he fights his ass off no matter who you put in front of him.

I implore anyone to come up with a fighter that you can't put some type of "?" next to there name.

Even the arguably the greatest of all time ALI has/had a big "?" next to his name by converting to Islam to avoid going to War, i wonder how many boxing fans ripped him up and down for that one. I wonder how many ALI fans jumped ship when they found out he wouldn't fight for his country...

The sport of Boxing will always come first to me, but having a favorite fighter that you support through thick and thin envokes passion and excitement. Some of my past favorites have let me down and i no longer support them. Pac has done nothing to change my opinion of him (as of yet).

[Hornfinger]

his reputation is in tatters.

[killersheep]

I don't think his reputation has taken a serious hit at all. He still has his hoards of fans that come to his defense on every thread that mentions him. If you were only getting your news from boxing journalists a majority of them still blame Floyd for the negotiations breaking down. The media machine by far and large IS actively working to protect his reputation. The proof is in the pudding though and we will see how many people buy his Clottey fight, because you know people aren't paying for Clottey. This issue will become more and more buried over time.

[HattonTheHammer]

Everyone all round made mistakes including manny pacquiao

Floyd Mayweather doesnt wanna fight manny, thats clear for all to see. He used the argument to rile his way out of the fight because i honestly believe floyd mayweather doesnt believe he can beat manny pacquiao.

At the same time however mannys refusal to even enter into discussions to try and find a fair conclusion for all partys concerned was dissapointing. I have the upmost sympathy for a man who doesnt wanna be tested JUST before the fight but had they of set a date around february time where both men would be tested simultaneously then tested immidiately after the fight every party would of one.

I dont believe hand on heart pacquiaos bulked up on roids but this outcome has now got me and many others thinking could he be??

[JJson]

Floyd Mayweather doesnt wanna fight manny, thats clear for all to see. He used the argument to rile his way out of the fight because i honestly believe floyd mayweather doesnt believe he can beat manny pacquiao.

This is one of the more obtuse comments on this issue. It is akin to saying that if one opponent challenged another to meet tham at a certain point and place, that is evidence that he does not wish to fight. It is silly. Silly because the condition on the table was not burdensome, and it was appliable to both parties.

But herein is the kind of lopsided logic that issues forth from Manny's sycophants. Yeah, duh duh, it is clear that Floyd was afraid of Manny and that is why he proposed conditions that he and Manny both had to abide with. Please, that is retarded.

[Dizaster]

I was really pissed off over how the whole thing was handled, and how it ended.. For professionals who have been in the sport for most of their adult life, and for all the professionals around them, to let the fight fall though in such crappy circumstances was just ridiculous..

But when it comes down to it, regardless of the many ways you can view it or who I would love to blame, I really lost a lot of respect for Manny for how this turned out.. I was pissed at Floyd for it turning into a whole saga, where these issues have never been a problem in any of his previous fights.. But I don't entirely hold him to blame...

Being a giant giant Manny fan, before this, I lost a lot or respect for him for not being able to sort this out. His reputation is in the toilet for me... I suppose others and the general boxing public will forgive and forget and move on, but we had a super fight of all super fights on our door steps, and it fell through over Manny's ego and pride, or Manny's steroid abuse.. Either way, I simply can't hold him in as high regard as I once did.

[Beanflicker]

I would say it has taken a big hit for me. Not even so much the whole PED fiasco, but also with his prima-donna like demands. Back in the day, when the legends like Duran, SRR, SRL, Armstrong, ect ect moved up in weight, they fought AT THAT WEIGHT. SRL didn't demand Hagler weight in at 156 or some shit. Neither did Hearns, or any other legend I can think of. These demands for "catch weights", ie making guys like Cotto and ESPECIALLY DLH kill themselves a bit more before the fight really made me stop liking the guy. Then for him to duck out of the Floyd fight and come up with lame, bullshit excuses about why he couldn't take the drug test just sealed the deal for me.

He was ranked #1 at WW, yet the only guy he ever beat at WW was ODLH.

[Beanflicker]

Floyd Mayweather doesnt wanna fight manny, thats clear for all to see. He used the argument to rile his way out of the fight because i honestly believe floyd mayweather doesnt believe he can beat manny pacquiao.

You're nuts if you think Floyd doesn't believe he can beat Pac. Completely nuts.

[BoxingChaos]

I went with marginally but if Manny does retire with out facing Floyd, because Roach has been saying Clottey might be Manny's last fight, I would seriously have to be suspicious of Manny and I think I will never look at him in the same way. Time will tell. If Manny does not agree to random drug testing, then he is dirty already. I refused to take a blood and urinalysis test when I got pulled over, busted and taken in. They took my license for a year no if and or buts. The only persons afraid of random drug tests are drug users

[InTheNeutralCorner]

I don't think his reputation has taken a serious hit at all. He still has his hoards of fans that come to his defense on every thread that mentions him. If you were only getting your news from boxing journalists a majority of them still blame Floyd for the negotiations breaking down. The media machine by far and large IS actively working to protect his reputation. The proof is in the pudding though and we will see how many people buy his Clottey fight, because you know people aren't paying for Clottey. This issue will become more and more buried over time.

Somehow, for some strange reason, I agree with you here.

Manny's hoards of fans will remain with him especially since he hasn't even been proven to have used PEDs. Those who hated him before will definitely have more ammunition to hate him more. I cannot say what the general public's sentiment is, however.

Most of the boxing informations or articles that I have read including people who I have spoken to also blames Floyd. Could it be that this is the perception of people in the US? I don't know. The Clottey fight will definitely give us an idea on how bad a hit Manny's reputation did take.

Wow, this gives me an idea on a new thread which I might do when I get home. I tried so hard to refrain myself from starting one until I hit a hundred post.

[Chino]

but here in the philippines it didnt affected pacs stature. oh yes not at all! people here think that pbf made too many excuses and thought the if pbf really wanted it then he should accept whatever pac presented on the table

Imagine, the first Asian to do something outstanding in boxing and from the Phils, of course the country will back him up. I was going to ask if news, magazines, etc. have question Pac for all his suspicions with the blood tests, the contradicting excuses, taking on a warm-up lesser opponent (Clottey) compared to Floyd, etc. or is everybody blinding themselves to that possibility? Has anybody in the Filipino media said something about it? In Mexico I see it common for the media to praise but also critique their athletes pretty bad.

i also saw in the news that even foreign fans still line up to meet pac. its as if nothing happened!

People still line up to meet Mike Tyson regardless of his behavior outside the ring.

Floyd Mayweather doesnt wanna fight manny, thats clear for all to see. He used the argument to rile his way out of the fight because i honestly believe floyd mayweather doesnt believe he can beat manny pacquiao

Agreeing to all of Pac's and Roach's rules doesn't seem like something a boxer would do to rile his way out of a fight. Refusing to only one simple rule that asked for random blood testing does seem like it and that is what Pac did.

And before someone says "Oh, its about ego, Pac, his team, and Roach, don't want to obey Floyd's rule" well, ego had nothing to do with Floyd agreeing to all of their ridiculous rules and all he did was ask for only one: random blood tests. Are there any more excuses for not agreeing for the random blood test?

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Hell no,

Until something is concrete he is still the man. Until he is beaten or proven guilty of cheating without a shadow of a doubt, then he will remain the man. All this he said she said allegation bullshit can kiss my ass. If I claim to be a Pac fan, why on earth would i ditch him just because of what other people think. If that was the case no fighter would have any fucking fans! Pacquiao has done more then enough to prove his worth in gold, and every fighter in the world that is somewhat in the limelight can be picked apart and questioned in some shape or form. He's not even claiming a GOAT status, he always extends his hands to help his people and the less fortunate, and he fights his ass off no matter who you put in front of him.

I implore anyone to come up with a fighter that you can't put some type of "?" next to there name.

Even the arguably the greatest of all time ALI has/had a big "?" next to his name by converting to Islam to avoid going to War, i wonder how many boxing fans ripped him up and down for that one. I wonder how many ALI fans jumped ship when they found out he wouldn't fight for his country...

The sport of Boxing will always come first to me, but having a favorite fighter that you support through thick and thin envokes passion and excitement. Some of my past favorites have let me down and i no longer support them. Pac has done nothing to change my opinion of him (as of yet).

Excellent post, mate.

When people speak of Ali's greatness, they barely even brought up that draft dodging incident. If Manny is never proven to have used drugs/PEDs, several years from now he will be considered a legend with that allegation just being a footnote in his career. People might even forget about it.

And yes, Manny never claimed GOAT status. He also never claimed P4P king/champ status nor that he's the greatest.