Has Manny Paquiao's reputation taken a serious hit as a result of recent goings on?

[cnote111]

Hell no,

Until something is concrete he is still the man. Until he is beaten or proven guilty of cheating without a shadow of a doubt, then he will remain the man. All this he said she said allegation bullshit can kiss my ass. If I claim to be a Pac fan, why on earth would i ditch him just because of what other people think. If that was the case no fighter would have any fucking fans! Pacquiao has done more then enough to prove his worth in gold, and every fighter in the world that is somewhat in the limelight can be picked apart and questioned in some shape or form. He's not even claiming a GOAT status, he always extends his hands to help his people and the less fortunate, and he fights his ass off no matter who you put in front of him.

I implore anyone to come up with a fighter that you can't put some type of "?" next to there name.

Even the arguably the greatest of all time ALI has/had a big "?" next to his name by converting to Islam to avoid going to War, i wonder how many boxing fans ripped him up and down for that one. I wonder how many ALI fans jumped ship when they found out he wouldn't fight for his country...

The sport of Boxing will always come first to me, but having a favorite fighter that you support through thick and thin envokes passion and excitement. Some of my past favorites have let me down and i no longer support them. Pac has done nothing to change my opinion of him (as of yet).

[Hornfinger]

his reputation is in tatters.

[killersheep]

I don't think his reputation has taken a serious hit at all. He still has his hoards of fans that come to his defense on every thread that mentions him. If you were only getting your news from boxing journalists a majority of them still blame Floyd for the negotiations breaking down. The media machine by far and large IS actively working to protect his reputation. The proof is in the pudding though and we will see how many people buy his Clottey fight, because you know people aren't paying for Clottey. This issue will become more and more buried over time.

[HattonTheHammer]

Everyone all round made mistakes including manny pacquiao

Floyd Mayweather doesnt wanna fight manny, thats clear for all to see. He used the argument to rile his way out of the fight because i honestly believe floyd mayweather doesnt believe he can beat manny pacquiao.

At the same time however mannys refusal to even enter into discussions to try and find a fair conclusion for all partys concerned was dissapointing. I have the upmost sympathy for a man who doesnt wanna be tested JUST before the fight but had they of set a date around february time where both men would be tested simultaneously then tested immidiately after the fight every party would of one.

I dont believe hand on heart pacquiaos bulked up on roids but this outcome has now got me and many others thinking could he be??

[JJson]

Floyd Mayweather doesnt wanna fight manny, thats clear for all to see. He used the argument to rile his way out of the fight because i honestly believe floyd mayweather doesnt believe he can beat manny pacquiao.

This is one of the more obtuse comments on this issue. It is akin to saying that if one opponent challenged another to meet tham at a certain point and place, that is evidence that he does not wish to fight. It is silly. Silly because the condition on the table was not burdensome, and it was appliable to both parties.

But herein is the kind of lopsided logic that issues forth from Manny's sycophants. Yeah, duh duh, it is clear that Floyd was afraid of Manny and that is why he proposed conditions that he and Manny both had to abide with. Please, that is retarded.

[Hornfinger]

I just can't take manny seriously.

He didn't beat marquez in either of their fights

He beat a very old and very weight drained de la hoya

He became pound 4 pound champ only when floyd retired (pound 4 pound by default, what an achievement )

He beat hatton after floyd had KO'ed him

he beat cotto after margarito pretty much raped him

He then ducks an olympic style drug test (the excuse being blood taken before a fight weakens him)

Then he has blood taken just before the clottey fight, which tells me not only was he looking for a way out of the drug test but he was also looking for a way out of the mayweather fight.

The guy's a pound 4 pound joke.

Hopefully clottey will beat him and he can fuck off.

I'm sick of having manny pacquiao rammed down my throat by the boxing media, and how he's portreyed as some kind of hollier than though warrior. It's all bullshit.

[miron_lang]

20, 9 and 11.

years into the future. Only articles from respected columnist will mater.


Roy Jones tested positive.
Mosley admitted in taking ROids.

Its not even comparable Pac never tested positive.


yeah yeah who in their right mind would refuse between 30 to 40 million dollars? Maybe someone who is already living like a king and already have Millions of dollars in his bank account.





Fucking contradictions from idiots.

Manny didnt beat nobody Oscar was drained, Cotto was this Hatton was that yaddi yaddi and for good measure Pac is on roids!!

[generalbulldog]

I just can't take manny seriously.

He didn't beat marquez in either of their fights

He beat a very old and very weight drained de la hoya

He became pound 4 pound champ only when floyd retired (pound 4 pound by default, what an achievement )

He beat hatton after floyd had KO'ed him

he beat cotto after margarito pretty much raped him

He then ducks an olympic style drug test (the excuse being blood taken before a fight weakens him)

Then he has blood taken just before the clottey fight, which tells me not only was he looking for a way out of the drug test but he was also looking for a way out of the mayweather fight.

The guy's a pound 4 pound joke.

Hopefully clottey will beat him and he can fuck off.

I'm sick of having manny pacquiao rammed down my throat by the boxing media, and how he's portreyed as some kind of hollier than though warrior. It's all bullshit.

For the record I did trash Pacquiao's resume too, but it was to pissed off his fans that were annoying me.

But anyways no fighter in the sport had what I would call a spotless record where fans cannot nitpick it.

[Dizaster]

I was really pissed off over how the whole thing was handled, and how it ended.. For professionals who have been in the sport for most of their adult life, and for all the professionals around them, to let the fight fall though in such crappy circumstances was just ridiculous..

But when it comes down to it, regardless of the many ways you can view it or who I would love to blame, I really lost a lot of respect for Manny for how this turned out.. I was pissed at Floyd for it turning into a whole saga, where these issues have never been a problem in any of his previous fights.. But I don't entirely hold him to blame...

Being a giant giant Manny fan, before this, I lost a lot or respect for him for not being able to sort this out. His reputation is in the toilet for me... I suppose others and the general boxing public will forgive and forget and move on, but we had a super fight of all super fights on our door steps, and it fell through over Manny's ego and pride, or Manny's steroid abuse.. Either way, I simply can't hold him in as high regard as I once did.

[Beanflicker]

I would say it has taken a big hit for me. Not even so much the whole PED fiasco, but also with his prima-donna like demands. Back in the day, when the legends like Duran, SRR, SRL, Armstrong, ect ect moved up in weight, they fought AT THAT WEIGHT. SRL didn't demand Hagler weight in at 156 or some shit. Neither did Hearns, or any other legend I can think of. These demands for "catch weights", ie making guys like Cotto and ESPECIALLY DLH kill themselves a bit more before the fight really made me stop liking the guy. Then for him to duck out of the Floyd fight and come up with lame, bullshit excuses about why he couldn't take the drug test just sealed the deal for me.

He was ranked #1 at WW, yet the only guy he ever beat at WW was ODLH.

[JazMerkin]

I would say it has taken a big hit for me. Not even so much the whole PED fiasco, but also with his prima-donna like demands. Back in the day, when the legends like Duran, SRR, SRL, Armstrong, ect ect moved up in weight, they fought AT THAT WEIGHT. SRL didn't demand Hagler weight in at 156 or some shit. Neither did Hearns, or any other legend I can think of. These demands for "catch weights", ie making guys like Cotto and ESPECIALLY DLH kill themselves a bit more before the fight really made me stop liking the guy. Then for him to duck out of the Floyd fight and come up with lame, bullshit excuses about why he couldn't take the drug test just sealed the deal for me.

He was ranked #1 at WW, yet the only guy he ever beat at WW was ODLH.

Sugar Ray Leonard did demand catchweights, as he made Donny Lalonde come down to 168 from 175 and completely drained him of weight. The guy is my favourite fighter of all time, but he was the king of this diva bullshit. In fact, both Sugar Rays were well-known for being divas about making fights and only doing so when it suited them once they were the man on top.

Anyway I agree, his rep has taken a big hit. Like others have said, the mainstream boxing press has been on his side, partly because it continues to play the 'good guy' card, as well as the media influence of Arum. However, the wider sports press and the casual fans (ie not those who post on forums) all seem to think he's on something.

At the end of the day, they're the ones who fighters are reliant on for PPVs. His legacy will probably be fine though, because that tends to be defined by the hardcore fans.

[Chino]

I just find it funny that you are condemning an alleged cheater in Pac, but have a signature of Margarito beating up Cotto, who many believed probably loaded up his gloves in that fight.
I love the irony here. Hehehe

I am a fan of different boxers but I don't blind myself from what they have done wrong. Margarito was caught in the process of cheating and I have already expressed how dissapointed I am about it so, as I have said in other threads, makes me wonder about his past accomplishments. If I was a nuthuger I would defend him blindly all the way to the end. There are differences between being a fan and a nuthugger.

Anyways, now go back to what I mentioned about Pac and tell me what you think.

[generalbulldog]

I would say it has taken a big hit for me. Not even so much the whole PED fiasco, but also with his prima-donna like demands. Back in the day, when the legends like Duran, SRR, SRL, Armstrong, ect ect moved up in weight, they fought AT THAT WEIGHT. SRL didn't demand Hagler weight in at 156 or some shit. Neither did Hearns, or any other legend I can think of. These demands for "catch weights", ie making guys like Cotto and ESPECIALLY DLH kill themselves a bit more before the fight really made me stop liking the guy. Then for him to duck out of the Floyd fight and come up with lame, bullshit excuses about why he couldn't take the drug test just sealed the deal for me.

He was ranked #1 at WW, yet the only guy he ever beat at WW was ODLH.

Sugar Ray Leonard did demanded catchweights. He also made many demands in the Marvin Hagler fight, smaller rings, smaller gloves, only 12 rounds instead of 15, for Marvin Haglers middelweight titles.

Many hardcore boxing fans still remember those conditions he demanded of Hagler, not to mentioned his pitty pat punches to try to steal rounds with 10 seconds left in every round.

ANy boxing diva today pale in comparison.

Don't ever call Leonard a warrior like Hagler, Duran, etc.

[Beanflicker]

Floyd Mayweather doesnt wanna fight manny, thats clear for all to see. He used the argument to rile his way out of the fight because i honestly believe floyd mayweather doesnt believe he can beat manny pacquiao.

You're nuts if you think Floyd doesn't believe he can beat Pac. Completely nuts.

[knodaledge]

It's taken a hit with everybody I know.

It's taken a hit with the average fan, just like Teddy Atlas said.

In today's world, you tell an average person someone would rather throw away $25 million because he won't take a random blood test & i guarantee that person says he has something to hide.

Most people don't read the boxing sites. Most sports fans watch ESPN & ESPN has painted Pacquiao in a negative way so far.

So while a few thousand have read that Pacquiao doesn't want to give Mayweather the upperhand in negotiating, so he refused to give in on the testing window. Millions see the story on ESPN as Pacquiao refuses a random blood test.