Has Manny Paquiao's reputation taken a serious hit as a result of recent goings on?

[HattonTheHammer]

Everyone all round made mistakes including manny pacquiao

Floyd Mayweather doesnt wanna fight manny, thats clear for all to see. He used the argument to rile his way out of the fight because i honestly believe floyd mayweather doesnt believe he can beat manny pacquiao.

At the same time however mannys refusal to even enter into discussions to try and find a fair conclusion for all partys concerned was dissapointing. I have the upmost sympathy for a man who doesnt wanna be tested JUST before the fight but had they of set a date around february time where both men would be tested simultaneously then tested immidiately after the fight every party would of one.

I dont believe hand on heart pacquiaos bulked up on roids but this outcome has now got me and many others thinking could he be??

[JJson]

Floyd Mayweather doesnt wanna fight manny, thats clear for all to see. He used the argument to rile his way out of the fight because i honestly believe floyd mayweather doesnt believe he can beat manny pacquiao.

This is one of the more obtuse comments on this issue. It is akin to saying that if one opponent challenged another to meet tham at a certain point and place, that is evidence that he does not wish to fight. It is silly. Silly because the condition on the table was not burdensome, and it was appliable to both parties.

But herein is the kind of lopsided logic that issues forth from Manny's sycophants. Yeah, duh duh, it is clear that Floyd was afraid of Manny and that is why he proposed conditions that he and Manny both had to abide with. Please, that is retarded.

[Hornfinger]

I just can't take manny seriously.

He didn't beat marquez in either of their fights

He beat a very old and very weight drained de la hoya

He became pound 4 pound champ only when floyd retired (pound 4 pound by default, what an achievement )

He beat hatton after floyd had KO'ed him

he beat cotto after margarito pretty much raped him

He then ducks an olympic style drug test (the excuse being blood taken before a fight weakens him)

Then he has blood taken just before the clottey fight, which tells me not only was he looking for a way out of the drug test but he was also looking for a way out of the mayweather fight.

The guy's a pound 4 pound joke.

Hopefully clottey will beat him and he can fuck off.

I'm sick of having manny pacquiao rammed down my throat by the boxing media, and how he's portreyed as some kind of hollier than though warrior. It's all bullshit.

[miron_lang]

20, 9 and 11.

years into the future. Only articles from respected columnist will mater.


Roy Jones tested positive.
Mosley admitted in taking ROids.

Its not even comparable Pac never tested positive.


yeah yeah who in their right mind would refuse between 30 to 40 million dollars? Maybe someone who is already living like a king and already have Millions of dollars in his bank account.





Fucking contradictions from idiots.

Manny didnt beat nobody Oscar was drained, Cotto was this Hatton was that yaddi yaddi and for good measure Pac is on roids!!

[Hornfinger]

20, 9 and 11.

years into the future. Only articles from respected columnist will mater.


Roy Jones tested positive.
Mosley admitted in taking ROids.

Its not even comparable Pac never tested positive.


yeah yeah who in their right mind would refuse between 30 to 40 million dollars? Maybe someone who is already living like a king and already have Millions of dollars in his bank account.





Fucking contradictions from idiots.

Manny didnt beat nobody Oscar was drained, Cotto was this Hatton was that yaddi yaddi and for good measure Pac is on roids!!

Truth hurts don't it....

(where's my contradiction?)

But your right journos won't be able to write in articles that pac tested positive......

Is that because Pac always ducked the tests?..... hmmmm

[mnmc10]

hornfinger,

you hate pac so your opinions and views are different, to you he lost both fights with jmm but to many and most importantly on his record he beat him.

to you hatton and cotto are beat up wasted talents that anyone can cherry pick. well guess what? MOST doesnt think the same.

he dodged the ped test yes, is he automatically guilty of using? no!

you hate pac what can we do? one things for sure,

pac doesnt need to please YOU anyway!

[Gandalf]

hornfinger,

you hate pac so your opinions and views are different, to you he lost both fights with jmm but to many and most importantly on his record he beat him.

to you hatton and cotto are beat up wasted talents that anyone can cherry pick. well guess what? MOST doesnt think the same.

he dodged the ped test yes, is he automatically guilty of using? no!

you hate pac what can we do? one things for sure,

pac doesnt need to please YOU anyway!

Any intelligent person can see that Manny didn't win either of his fights with Marquez. The win on the record doesn't mean more than the fight most fans saw with their own eyes and boxing writers too for that matter.

I will agree with you to an extent on Hatton and Cotto, though it is true to say they did come in on rather heavy losses.

He definitely did duck the PED test and on that basis alone, and supposedly as a sportsman of the highest level willing to prove himself clean....he failed big time.

As for Pac not needing to please the fans. Well, I would argue that he has shown that he really couldn't give a shit either way. He has shown that by refusing the fight of a generation over a blood test.

You used the word "We" and that really indicates some kind of mass produced cyborg Pac hugger clone army at work. It's hilarious, but also quite sad too. Oh, but Manny doesn't need to please you! WTF?

[Hornfinger]

hornfinger,

you hate pac so your opinions and views are different, to you he lost both fights with jmm but to many and most importantly on his record he beat him.

to you hatton and cotto are beat up wasted talents that anyone can cherry pick. well guess what? MOST doesnt think the same.

he dodged the ped test yes, is he automatically guilty of using? no!

you hate pac what can we do? one things for sure,

pac doesnt need to please YOU anyway!

I hate any world class athlete that behaves in a shady non transparent way.

I know I have a point cuz the only come back a pac nut hugger has is to just brand me a pac hater. There is no come back to the facts.

[miron_lang]

20, 9 and 11.

years into the future. Only articles from respected columnist will mater.


Roy Jones tested positive.
Mosley admitted in taking ROids.

Its not even comparable Pac never tested positive.


yeah yeah who in their right mind would refuse between 30 to 40 million dollars? Maybe someone who is already living like a king and already have Millions of dollars in his bank account.





Fucking contradictions from idiots.

Manny didnt beat nobody Oscar was drained, Cotto was this Hatton was that yaddi yaddi and for good measure Pac is on roids!!

Truth hurts don't it....

(where's my contradiction?)

But your right journos won't be able to write in articles that pac tested positive......

Is that because Pac always ducked the tests?..... hmmmm

Pac beating just worthless opponents simply means pac is not that good and he only looks spectacular because of the opponents.

Now implying that he was on roids means he has accomplished great and unbelievable things in the ring like beating bigger elite fighters.


I would think that it is a contradiction You either believe that PAC beat worthless opponents OR you believe that he's roiding.

[mnmc10]

miles,

pac won the first jmm fight but only got a draw cause a judge mis scored the 3 kds. arent you aware of that? on the second fight, anyone can get the win. if you backtrack my posts i believe that jmm has pacs number and i wouldnt be surprised if jmm won that fight.

any boxer should please the fans, without us they wont earn anything. but what im trying to explain is that pac doesnt need to please a person who obviously hates him. for heavens sake he doesnt even know us personally! you guys can hate all you want cause he doesnt really care.

"You used the word "We" and that really indicates some kind of mass produced cyborg Pac hugger clone army at work. It's hilarious, but also quite sad too."

yes i said "WE" cause he really has a lot of fans, aint that obvious? here in saddo haters might outnumber pacfans but this forum is not the real world man wake up!

and for the record, i hate pac now cause he refused to take the tests. i wanted him to prove himself that he is clean. from my understanding and rumors here in the philippines its not really pac who decides, its his team.

[generalbulldog]

I just can't take manny seriously.

He didn't beat marquez in either of their fights

He beat a very old and very weight drained de la hoya

He became pound 4 pound champ only when floyd retired (pound 4 pound by default, what an achievement )

He beat hatton after floyd had KO'ed him

he beat cotto after margarito pretty much raped him

He then ducks an olympic style drug test (the excuse being blood taken before a fight weakens him)

Then he has blood taken just before the clottey fight, which tells me not only was he looking for a way out of the drug test but he was also looking for a way out of the mayweather fight.

The guy's a pound 4 pound joke.

Hopefully clottey will beat him and he can fuck off.

I'm sick of having manny pacquiao rammed down my throat by the boxing media, and how he's portreyed as some kind of hollier than though warrior. It's all bullshit.

For the record I did trash Pacquiao's resume too, but it was to pissed off his fans that were annoying me.

But anyways no fighter in the sport had what I would call a spotless record where fans cannot nitpick it.

[skel1983]

I just can't take manny seriously.

He didn't beat marquez in either of their fights

He beat a very old and very weight drained de la hoya

He became pound 4 pound champ only when floyd retired (pound 4 pound by default, what an achievement )

He beat hatton after floyd had KO'ed him

he beat cotto after margarito pretty much raped him

He then ducks an olympic style drug test (the excuse being blood taken before a fight weakens him)

Then he has blood taken just before the clottey fight, which tells me not only was he looking for a way out of the drug test but he was also looking for a way out of the mayweather fight.

The guy's a pound 4 pound joke.

Hopefully clottey will beat him and he can fuck off.

I'm sick of having manny pacquiao rammed down my throat by the boxing media, and how he's portreyed as some kind of hollier than though warrior. It's all bullshit.

For the record I did trash Pacquiao's resume too, but it was to pissed off his fans that were annoying me.

But anyways no fighter in the sport had what I would call a spotless record where fans cannot nitpick it.

Don't no how anyone can trash Manny's resume, I just watched his up to date HBO greatest Hits what a fucking fighter he is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXeIlFz7J2E

[Dizaster]

I was really pissed off over how the whole thing was handled, and how it ended.. For professionals who have been in the sport for most of their adult life, and for all the professionals around them, to let the fight fall though in such crappy circumstances was just ridiculous..

But when it comes down to it, regardless of the many ways you can view it or who I would love to blame, I really lost a lot of respect for Manny for how this turned out.. I was pissed at Floyd for it turning into a whole saga, where these issues have never been a problem in any of his previous fights.. But I don't entirely hold him to blame...

Being a giant giant Manny fan, before this, I lost a lot or respect for him for not being able to sort this out. His reputation is in the toilet for me... I suppose others and the general boxing public will forgive and forget and move on, but we had a super fight of all super fights on our door steps, and it fell through over Manny's ego and pride, or Manny's steroid abuse.. Either way, I simply can't hold him in as high regard as I once did.

[Beanflicker]

I would say it has taken a big hit for me. Not even so much the whole PED fiasco, but also with his prima-donna like demands. Back in the day, when the legends like Duran, SRR, SRL, Armstrong, ect ect moved up in weight, they fought AT THAT WEIGHT. SRL didn't demand Hagler weight in at 156 or some shit. Neither did Hearns, or any other legend I can think of. These demands for "catch weights", ie making guys like Cotto and ESPECIALLY DLH kill themselves a bit more before the fight really made me stop liking the guy. Then for him to duck out of the Floyd fight and come up with lame, bullshit excuses about why he couldn't take the drug test just sealed the deal for me.

He was ranked #1 at WW, yet the only guy he ever beat at WW was ODLH.

[JazMerkin]

I would say it has taken a big hit for me. Not even so much the whole PED fiasco, but also with his prima-donna like demands. Back in the day, when the legends like Duran, SRR, SRL, Armstrong, ect ect moved up in weight, they fought AT THAT WEIGHT. SRL didn't demand Hagler weight in at 156 or some shit. Neither did Hearns, or any other legend I can think of. These demands for "catch weights", ie making guys like Cotto and ESPECIALLY DLH kill themselves a bit more before the fight really made me stop liking the guy. Then for him to duck out of the Floyd fight and come up with lame, bullshit excuses about why he couldn't take the drug test just sealed the deal for me.

He was ranked #1 at WW, yet the only guy he ever beat at WW was ODLH.

Sugar Ray Leonard did demand catchweights, as he made Donny Lalonde come down to 168 from 175 and completely drained him of weight. The guy is my favourite fighter of all time, but he was the king of this diva bullshit. In fact, both Sugar Rays were well-known for being divas about making fights and only doing so when it suited them once they were the man on top.

Anyway I agree, his rep has taken a big hit. Like others have said, the mainstream boxing press has been on his side, partly because it continues to play the 'good guy' card, as well as the media influence of Arum. However, the wider sports press and the casual fans (ie not those who post on forums) all seem to think he's on something.

At the end of the day, they're the ones who fighters are reliant on for PPVs. His legacy will probably be fine though, because that tends to be defined by the hardcore fans.