Is Mosley too old to beat Floyd?

[Taeth]

Mayweather doesn't have a snapping Larry Holmes type jab, but how he thrusts it out allows for him to get a lot of "push" behind his jab. Also most guys land their jab in glancing fashion where as Mayweather usually lands it square on his opponent which also makes it very hard for someone to move in on, especially when he jabs to the body. Its hard enough that you can't move forward though it.

You say the nightmare matchup for Mosley is a guy who lives off the jab and controls distance. That sounds like Mayweather to a tee when he isn't facing neanderthal opponents or guys so slow he can get away with anything against them. Watching Mayweather against Corrales, Castillo(especially the second fight), Oscar De La Hoya, and JMM you will see that he uses the jab a lot in these fights. You won't see it as much against Hatton because Mayweather was on his heels too much and he really likes to lunge in when he jabs which a less aggressive Mosley will allow him to do.

[ruthless rocco]

Somebody please tell Mosely not to dress like Apollo Creed again!
What a moron.

[Majesty]

All these age things and etc didn't surface when everyone was picking Mosley to knock out Berto...

[Gandalf]

All these age things and etc didn't surface when everyone was picking Mosley to knock out Berto...

But I don't think Berto is all that good either. Does anyone think Mayweather wouldn't box Berto's ears off?

It's a valid point that Mosely is old because he is very old for a top level fighter in the smaller weights, but whether Mosley gets old in this fight is another question.

I'm backing Mosley and hoping he can shock everyone, but to pretend he is 30 would be a bit silly. He isn't. Only Hopkins in recent memory has been fighting well at this kind of age, all the others such as Toney and Jones Jr have faded. Everyone must fade at some point. It's only natural and if he loses it will be cited as one of the reasons.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Berto is shit... Devon Alexander proved that last night

I like Rozzy's & Teaths debate. I think Rozzy is seriously underrating Mayweather's jab.

[RozzySean]

Berto is shit... Devon Alexander proved that last night

I like Rozzy's & Teaths debate. I think Rozzy is seriously underrating Mayweather's jab.

It works pretty well when he jabs at the body of midgets

Floyd has a different type of jab than Cotto, Winky, and Forrest. They all throw long jabs from a conventional high guard. That type of jab, in additon to controlling distance, swells the eyes, hides the right hand, and creates opportunities to hook of the jab.

Floyd's most effective jab is an up-jap and he targets it at the body. Throwing the jab from his low guard is different. He controls may opponents by using that body jab to keep them off. Taeth is right about that. Against some guys, he can stop them with that jab. I don't think it will have that effect on Mosley.His jab wasn't the deciding factor against Oscar. It didn't stop him in his tracks. He strafed Oscar with right crosses over Oscar's jab, rolled when he was on the ropes, and countered with clean hooks and uppercuts while Oscar flailed at his body. Oscar is the only decent fighter he's beaten who has comparable size and strength to Mosley. And Mosley is stronger.

He could do that against JMM, Judah, at points against Hatton. If he beats Mosley, it will be with the right hand, defense, and counterpunching. The jab won't be the deciding factor.

[Taeth]

I still agree to disagree, Floyd fought Baldomir who was 162 pounds when they came into the ring which is bigger than Mosley is even at 154. Its the easiest punch to land on Mosley, and the second is the straight right, but I think the first few rounds Floyd will maintain and gage distance with his jab until he finds a home for his right hand. It sounds like Mosley is going to try and employ a similar strategy as to what Oscar did vs Floyd, but with a less dominant jab and more speed. I know Mosley was great at coming forwad as a welterweight, but I remember how hard of a time he had trying to be offensive against Oscar in their second fight, and Oscar doesn't move or box like Floyd does.

All in all I really hope Mayweather wins this and stays in the sport. He will have some good guys to further establish his legacy over the next few years. If Mike JOnes learns to be more authoritative with his jab, if Andre Berto turns that corner, and if Bradley and/or Alexander move up after dominating the 140pound division.

Devon Alexander is a truly special fighter with apparently all of the necessary attributes, and he actually reminds me a lot of a younger Floyd. Just different style.

The scary thing is apparently Devon had a brother who is now in Jail that was significantly better than him.

[DaxxKahn]

Somebody please tell Mosely not to dress like Apollo Creed again!
What a moron.

Yes we will get right on it....Who here has Shanes number...Ruthless Rocco wants him to stop with these outfits of his

[RozzySean]

Mayweather doesn't have a snapping Larry Holmes type jab, but how he thrusts it out allows for him to get a lot of "push" behind his jab. Also most guys land their jab in glancing fashion where as Mayweather usually lands it square on his opponent which also makes it very hard for someone to move in on, especially when he jabs to the body. Its hard enough that you can't move forward though it.

You say the nightmare matchup for Mosley is a guy who lives off the jab and controls distance. That sounds like Mayweather to a tee when he isn't facing neanderthal opponents or guys so slow he can get away with anything against them. Watching Mayweather against Corrales, Castillo(especially the second fight), Oscar De La Hoya, and JMM you will see that he uses the jab a lot in these fights. You won't see it as much against Hatton because Mayweather was on his heels too much and he really likes to lunge in when he jabs which a less aggressive Mosley will allow him to do.

Mosley has better feet than all of those guys. Floyd can control distance against fighters who have average/conventional feet. I don't think Mayweather did a great job of controlling distance in the early rounds against Judah or Hatton. Hatton was getting in on him the whole fight, but Floyd was able take advantage of Hatton's aggression and poor defensive. Either way, Hatton is a conventional inside fighter and Judah is a conventional boxer-puncher.

Shane has trouble right fighters with EXCEPTIONAL jabs. Floyd has a good jab. Yes, Cotto has an exceptional jab.

I don't know where people come up with the notion that a jab is the answer to Mayweather. Other than a few rounds from Oscar, the most trouble he has been given has been by a swarmer (Castillo), a southpaw (with a straight left, a more powerful punch and harder to time and counter cleanly with a cross), and an awkward fighter (Augustus).

To be clear again, I still pick Floyd to win. The more accurage statement this: Floyd is not an ideal matchup for Mosley, and Mosley has looked his best in the last few years againsts fighters who are very good matchups for him (Vargas, Mayorga). This casts doubts as to whether Shane can beat a great fighter when the style matchup does not clearly favor Shane. Shane has never faced anybody who presents the challenges of Mayweather, and he has lost to lesser fighters.

That being said, Mosley, unless he has gotten old in the last year, he offers a combination of challenges to Mayweather that he has yet to face. He has never fought somebody with the size, strength, speed, power, style, and mental toughness of Mosley. You can't even reference the JMM fight, because as great as JMM is, he is slow and stationary and makes his living counterpunching aggressive fighters. On top of that he's much smaller than Floyd.

Mayweather has fought two real WW's - Baldy and Oscar. Baldy has feet in cement. He was an idea matchup. Oscar gave him a close fight (but a clear win for Mayweather), but Oscar does to have Mosley's speed and he fights in a more conventional way.