Rewatched Cotto vs Pac

[mad_takamura]

Thats right, praise the dirty little cheater

Where's your proof though? Then you're a dirty little gossip believer.

[Snakey]

Thats right, praise the dirty little cheater

Where's your proof though? Then you're a dirty little gossip believer.

Dont turn my thread into another argument about that shit.

[CFH]

Thats right, praise the dirty little cheater

Where's your proof though? Then you're a dirty little gossip believer.

Dont turn my thread into another argument about that shit.

Word. There are a billion other threads if you guys want to have that redundant argument.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Thats right, praise the dirty little cheater

Where's your proof though? Then you're a dirty little gossip believer.

Dont turn my thread into another argument about that shit.

I have been reading through this forum long before I even decided to be a member. I have come to realize that there are pachaters & pacfans (alright, some are even pachuggers) in here.

In order for an argument not to start, unbias posters should castigate those who would come up with an untruthful or unproven allegations . If that is going to be allowed as an opinion, then what do we expect the boxer's supporters to do then. Do we just expect them to lay around and let this go?

I don't see Pac supporters or Pachuggers starting any controversial threads lately but there had been Pachaters who has been on the offensive.

And, somehow, I have a feeling that I will be castigated for this comment. Okey, okey, I have turned this thread into something else. I am just expressing an opinion. Sorry about that, Snakey.

[Gandalf]

Where's your proof though? Then you're a dirty little gossip believer.

Dont turn my thread into another argument about that shit.

I have been reading through this forum long before I even decided to be a member. I have come to realize that there are pachaters & pacfans (alright, some are even pachuggers) in here.

In order for an argument not to start, unbias posters should castigate those who would come up with an untruthful or unproven allegations . If that is going to be allowed as an opinion, then what do we expect the boxer's supporters to do then. Do we just expect them to lay around and let this go?

I don't see Pac supporters or Pachuggers starting any controversial threads lately but there had been Pachaters who has been on the offensive.

And, somehow, I have a feeling that I will be castigated for this comment. Okey, okey, I have turned this thread into something else. I am just expressing an opinion. Sorry about that, Snakey.

Bollocks. There were people who bought into Manny on the back of the Cotto fight and were very dissapointed that he pulled out of a mega fight with Mayweather because he wouldn't take a drug test. I was one of those people. It's as simple as that and it is boring going over the same old ground.

You don't avoid a random drug test unless you are hiding something. I would give a test if it meant I could earn a fortune and win over everyone, wouldn't you? Manny refused that. People have made their own conclusions on that basis alone. There is no good reason on this earth to refuse random testing as a professional fighter...unless you are avoiding something.

But this is treading old ground and like I say, it is tedious and extremely dull.

[mnmc10]

sorry to the TS but my question is, if refusing to take the test will make us believe that he is guilty then why didnt he took the tests? i mean if thats the only way to prove that he is clean then why risk everything by not taking the tests?

he can opt to not take peds for this pbf fight just to appear that he is indeed clean right? lose one match against pbf because he wasnt on juice rather than back out and ruin your legacy. there is no shame in losing to any boxer the more when you lose to pbf.

pac risking his legacy rather than bowing to pbf's demand must mean more than "oh he is surely juicing" stuff.

[Gandalf]

sorry to the TS but my question is, if refusing to take the test will make us believe that he is guilty then why didnt he took the tests? i mean if thats the only way to prove that he is clean then why risk everything by not taking the tests?

he can opt to not take peds for this pbf fight just to appear that he is indeed clean right? lose one match against pbf because he wasnt on juice rather than back out and ruin your legacy. there is no shame in losing to any boxer the more when you lose to pbf.

pac risking his legacy rather than bowing to pbf's demand must mean more than "oh he is surely juicing" stuff.

Exactly. Anyone arguing that he shouldn't need to take a drug test is a moron. As a boxing fan you want the fight, there is no hesitation involved. To hear that a fighter refuses because he doesn't want to prove himself a totally clean fighter, well that sucks. Furthermore, seeing an old man like Mosley so easily accept the conditions makes Manny look doubly bad.

Pac sucks donkeys balls and I hope Clottey kills him. Or at the the least gives him a really bad headbutt straight on the eye.

[Snakey]

Righto my thread is as good as gone, mods please just kill it. I should of known that I couldnt express an opinion the fight without havin people jump up and down about drug tests. For the person who went on about havin an opinion...sure have an opinion but dont bring things into the topic that werent already there, I just wanted to discuss the cotto fight...what we knew happened in the cotto fight not what we thought happened out of the ring before the fight.

[Cressa121]

I'm with Snakey about the Cotto-Pac fight, i remember thinking Cotto had a great chance after the first few rounds, pretty much up until the 2nd KD i thought he had a great chacne of pulling it out. Pac's performance was unbelievable though, the way he absorbed Cotto's shots and fired back even harder was something i didn't expect to see happen.

On the Clottey fight, i just think Clottey's too negative and defensive to pose problems, Pac's just going to swarm him. To get anything out of Pac, Clottey will need to be more aggressive and try and push him back more, but i can't see it happening. I'm taking Pac by a mid to late TKO

[CFH]

Righto my thread is as good as gone, mods please just kill it. I should of known that I couldnt express an opinion the fight without havin people jump up and down about drug tests. For the person who went on about havin an opinion...sure have an opinion but dont bring things into the topic that werent already there, I just wanted to discuss the cotto fight...what we knew happened in the cotto fight not what we thought happened out of the ring before the fight.

It sucks that any thread about Pacquiao or Mayweather immediately gets derailed by the same stupid, never-ending argument.

[CFH]

I'm with Snakey about the Cotto-Pac fight, i remember thinking Cotto had a great chance after the first few rounds, pretty much up until the 2nd KD i thought he had a great chacne of pulling it out. Pac's performance was unbelievable though, the way he absorbed Cotto's shots and fired back even harder was something i didn't expect to see happen.

On the Clottey fight, i just think Clottey's too negative and defensive to pose problems, Pac's just going to swarm him. To get anything out of Pac, Clottey will need to be more aggressive and try and push him back more, but i can't see it happening. I'm taking Pac by a mid to late TKO

I agree. The fight was undecided for the first four rounds and I remember thinking it had FOTY possibilities because it was so intense and so closely contested prior to the upper cut that essentially ended the fight.

[HattonTheHammer]

I'm with Snakey about the Cotto-Pac fight, i remember thinking Cotto had a great chance after the first few rounds, pretty much up until the 2nd KD i thought he had a great chacne of pulling it out. Pac's performance was unbelievable though, the way he absorbed Cotto's shots and fired back even harder was something i didn't expect to see happen.

On the Clottey fight, i just think Clottey's too negative and defensive to pose problems, Pac's just going to swarm him. To get anything out of Pac, Clottey will need to be more aggressive and try and push him back more, but i can't see it happening. I'm taking Pac by a mid to late TKO

I genuinely thought id seen pacquiaos greatest moments but even i had to admit that was the greatest of them all

When you demand a fighter to produce a stunning display you always think at the back of your mind you may be dissapointed somehow, but that was everything i imagine x5

Funniest thing of all is sat there at 4in the morning with a bunch of mates none of which follow the sport like i do and telling them how pacquiao is infact a flyweight fighting at 10stone 7, none of which actually believed me until i showed them online

stunning fighter who simply leaves me gasping at his acomplishments. Ive seen it all from pacquiao i genuinely wouldnt be able to back a super middleweight in with him

[KananKrus]

I've also rewatched this fight a few times and I think this was Pac's most serious test at the higher weights.

Having said that, IMO, it is of no greater challenge, nor perilous, than that of his previous bouts against; Morales 1 & 2, Barrera 1, Marquez 1 & 2, at the lighter weight classes.

Forward to this coming fight against Joshua Clottey, and contrary to popular belief, the Ghanian will pose problems for Pac by his sheer size alone provided he comes stacked and well-prepared.

No cutting corners on his training, and with a commitment to a serious gameplan, Clottey will give Pacquiao a run for his money should the fight be one of attrition. He can wear Manny down.

Easier said than done though, as more than less of previous Pac foes found it way too late and already in the ring.

[mnmc10]

cotto had the power to hurt pac, he had enough speed to tag him. obviously pac was faster but he was getting tagged too. peds aside i was happy that even though cotto was a threat pac just went forward even if it was risky.

when cotto got kd thats when things start to go downhill for cotto. i dunno was he shocked that a midget can hurt him?

cotto lost not because he is weak, not because he is slow he lost cause he doesnt have the heart. he got scared and started to backpedal as for pac? he knew he was going to get hit he knew cotto is a big threat but he bravely went forward and that gamble paid off.

again my apologies to the TS this is place full of antipacs, mention pacs name and they will immediately jump on it claiming that he is guilty of ped.

[miron_lang]

Clottey is second best to Pac in pretty much every aspect of the game but he can do something Pac cant - Fight dirty.

If he follows the blueprint set by Sanchez it shows how an inferior fighter can get a better fighter off his game. Pac didnt win the fight with Sanchez so if Clottey wants to avoid what seems like an inevitable defeat he needs to bend the rules abit and once Pac is out of his stride he can get to work.

True.

Ive posted this before i believe. Follow the Agapito Sanchez game plan and you have a chance.