Rewatched Cotto vs Pac

[mad_takamura]

Thats right, praise the dirty little cheater

Where's your proof though? Then you're a dirty little gossip believer.

[Snakey]

Thats right, praise the dirty little cheater

Where's your proof though? Then you're a dirty little gossip believer.

Dont turn my thread into another argument about that shit.

[CFH]

Thats right, praise the dirty little cheater

Where's your proof though? Then you're a dirty little gossip believer.

Dont turn my thread into another argument about that shit.

Word. There are a billion other threads if you guys want to have that redundant argument.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Thats right, praise the dirty little cheater

Where's your proof though? Then you're a dirty little gossip believer.

Dont turn my thread into another argument about that shit.

I have been reading through this forum long before I even decided to be a member. I have come to realize that there are pachaters & pacfans (alright, some are even pachuggers) in here.

In order for an argument not to start, unbias posters should castigate those who would come up with an untruthful or unproven allegations . If that is going to be allowed as an opinion, then what do we expect the boxer's supporters to do then. Do we just expect them to lay around and let this go?

I don't see Pac supporters or Pachuggers starting any controversial threads lately but there had been Pachaters who has been on the offensive.

And, somehow, I have a feeling that I will be castigated for this comment. Okey, okey, I have turned this thread into something else. I am just expressing an opinion. Sorry about that, Snakey.

[Gandalf]

Where's your proof though? Then you're a dirty little gossip believer.

Dont turn my thread into another argument about that shit.

I have been reading through this forum long before I even decided to be a member. I have come to realize that there are pachaters & pacfans (alright, some are even pachuggers) in here.

In order for an argument not to start, unbias posters should castigate those who would come up with an untruthful or unproven allegations . If that is going to be allowed as an opinion, then what do we expect the boxer's supporters to do then. Do we just expect them to lay around and let this go?

I don't see Pac supporters or Pachuggers starting any controversial threads lately but there had been Pachaters who has been on the offensive.

And, somehow, I have a feeling that I will be castigated for this comment. Okey, okey, I have turned this thread into something else. I am just expressing an opinion. Sorry about that, Snakey.

Bollocks. There were people who bought into Manny on the back of the Cotto fight and were very dissapointed that he pulled out of a mega fight with Mayweather because he wouldn't take a drug test. I was one of those people. It's as simple as that and it is boring going over the same old ground.

You don't avoid a random drug test unless you are hiding something. I would give a test if it meant I could earn a fortune and win over everyone, wouldn't you? Manny refused that. People have made their own conclusions on that basis alone. There is no good reason on this earth to refuse random testing as a professional fighter...unless you are avoiding something.

But this is treading old ground and like I say, it is tedious and extremely dull.

[mnmc10]

sorry to the TS but my question is, if refusing to take the test will make us believe that he is guilty then why didnt he took the tests? i mean if thats the only way to prove that he is clean then why risk everything by not taking the tests?

he can opt to not take peds for this pbf fight just to appear that he is indeed clean right? lose one match against pbf because he wasnt on juice rather than back out and ruin your legacy. there is no shame in losing to any boxer the more when you lose to pbf.

pac risking his legacy rather than bowing to pbf's demand must mean more than "oh he is surely juicing" stuff.

[Gandalf]

sorry to the TS but my question is, if refusing to take the test will make us believe that he is guilty then why didnt he took the tests? i mean if thats the only way to prove that he is clean then why risk everything by not taking the tests?

he can opt to not take peds for this pbf fight just to appear that he is indeed clean right? lose one match against pbf because he wasnt on juice rather than back out and ruin your legacy. there is no shame in losing to any boxer the more when you lose to pbf.

pac risking his legacy rather than bowing to pbf's demand must mean more than "oh he is surely juicing" stuff.

Exactly. Anyone arguing that he shouldn't need to take a drug test is a moron. As a boxing fan you want the fight, there is no hesitation involved. To hear that a fighter refuses because he doesn't want to prove himself a totally clean fighter, well that sucks. Furthermore, seeing an old man like Mosley so easily accept the conditions makes Manny look doubly bad.

Pac sucks donkeys balls and I hope Clottey kills him. Or at the the least gives him a really bad headbutt straight on the eye.

[Snakey]

Righto my thread is as good as gone, mods please just kill it. I should of known that I couldnt express an opinion the fight without havin people jump up and down about drug tests. For the person who went on about havin an opinion...sure have an opinion but dont bring things into the topic that werent already there, I just wanted to discuss the cotto fight...what we knew happened in the cotto fight not what we thought happened out of the ring before the fight.

[miron_lang]

Thats right, praise the dirty little cheater

Where's your proof though? Then you're a dirty little gossip believer.

Dont turn my thread into another argument about that shit.

Much respect to Snakey but that reply should be to that dude Ross

[Snakey]

Where's your proof though? Then you're a dirty little gossip believer.

Dont turn my thread into another argument about that shit.

Much respect to Snakey but that reply should be to that dude Ross

Mate I believe my response was to both of you hence why both of you were in the quote.

[miron_lang]

Dont turn my thread into another argument about that shit.

Much respect to Snakey but that reply should be to that dude Ross

Mate I believe my response was to both of you hence why both of you were in the quote.

I see. sorry about that mate. It's nice to see threads like this once in a while. the one free from 'Drug testing protocol debate'.

[Althugz]

Yeah I too thought it was a pick-em fight up until the 2nd knockdown. You could see in Cotto's face that he was visibly stunned by that one! The first knockdown was more being caught off balance and didn't dent his confidence as much as the second one did.

I agree with the person who said he was afraid to get hit after that so he was just in retreat mode. It was a shockingly good display by Pac.

I wonder how the fight might have panned out had Pac not landed that big uppercut for the 2nd knockdown? I think we might have seen a different fight, bit more competitive but Pac still winning IMO.

Clottey doesn't stand a chance - I'm happy for him getting a payday though. A good, honest, hard worker.

[KananKrus]

Post fight interview of Pacquiao by Larry Merchant revealed that he bluffed Miguel into thinking that he was not affected by any of Cotto's power at all. Then admitted that it actually did.... bigtime.

Pacquiao just showed that he knew, that for anyone to win in a mega fight, you need not only control the physical aspect of it, but likewise the psychological and emotional aspects of it as well.

In the Cotto's corner after the fourth, it was all too evident in Miguel's look of anguish, that he realized he was receiving the short end in most of the exchanges. He might have reached a maximum in his belief that the fight on hand was an even one, and felt the first signs of just going into a survival mode instead of fighting a way to win.

All too naturally his emotions went downhill as a result, and so too did his ability to compete physically, (not knowing that he was likewise hurting Pac by large... had he just known!).

Maybe a seed of doubt grew, stemming from Miguel's realization that his fight preparations loomed inferior and inappropriate against the opposition's, and magnified more with the magnitude of the fight on hand.

By then it was too late for any second-guessing!

If for anything at all, this should serve Miguel well in future fight preparations. Like what an enduring multi-titled champion always maintain... "train hard, the fight is easy".