The guy you said that Pacquiao won his 1st title from was the lineal champion at flyweight. You may never heard of the guy or think who cares about flyweights, but becoming a lineal champion is a very impressive feat at any weight class especially at 19 years old. That is a rare feat in boxing history to become the man of a division in your teenage years. So I wouldn't play that down as you're trying to. IMO that feat is one of Pacquiao's greatest accomplishments.
I agree with Majesty. Pac gets a lot of praise because of his personality and it makes people really wanna like him and his accomplishments. Where as floyd gets a lot of hate for his personality and equally on his fighting. You all say that pac has the better resume but you will be the same people that will claim mayweather picked on a smaller guy if he fights and beats pac.
Alright, I've repped everyone in this thread that has said something productive so far. Whether agreeing or disagreeing. Thanks everyone for your input so far.
Now, I'd especially like to thank miron_lang and generalbulldog, who informed me about Sasakul and who he was and his ranking.
Baring the information they both gave me I weighed in Pacquiao's accomplishment against Mayweathers. Credit's given and edited information is outlined on the first post. Thanks you two. If i could rep you twice I would.
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Don't know why Majesty is getting such abuse on this thread all he did was try and express his opinions.
For me I think I can't decide, because they need to fight each other for it to be finally settled.
Manny is the form guy, the exciting, crowd pleaser but Floyd has never lost a fight.
I do think a win over Shane would be a bigger win than anything Manny has so far done so maybe Floyd will have the best bragging rights then, but even then Mosely has lost several fights in his career and so isn't unbeatable.
Ultimately it won't be settled until they fight. Manny's wins over Cotto and Clottey show that size shouldn't be a factor at least, this fight will come down to skill. 2010 has so far been a shit one for boxing with hardly any decent fights in months, hopefully it can end with the big one though.
Bilbo baggins of the Shire
Shane Mosley lost to a fighter named Miguel Cotto whom Pacquio TKO'd. Shane is still a very good fighter but is also 38 yrs old and hasnt fought in over a year.
Marco Antonio Barrera was also a TOP p4p fighter in 2003 with a streak of wins over highly regarded fighters as Erik Morales, Nazeem Hamed, Johny Tapia, Enrique Sanchez and Kevin Kelley. After the loss to Pacquiao Barrera rebounded by beating JuarezX2, Robbie Peden, Erik Morales en route to his 3rd Division title.
IMO Barrera and Cotto are bigger wins than this upcoming version of Shane Mosley who showed some signs of declining againts Vargas and mayorga.
My opinion is based on how they fought ODLH.
“If you even dream of beating me you'd better wake up and apologize.” Muhammad Ali.
I think their resumes were pretty much even however tiny Manny has established himself as a fairly dominant Welterweight (which is shocking as ICB stated in his excellent thread).
Let's see how Floyd handles Mosley... Before that fight, I can't really make a full conclusive decision.
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No offence, you do this a hell of a lot too. You dislike Mayweather and that quite clearly affects your posts a lot of the time.
Skel, not quite sure what that tirade was about - At the very least, I give praise to Majesty for the effort to write this up.
When I made a post comparing the two resumes, I don't remember getting flamed to shit - In fact it turned into a pretty civil debate if I remember correctly because IT IS a very valid topic and as correctly pointed out, both of their resumes are looked at in a very skewed perspective by either their fans or their detractors.
Bilbo and Caine, you've got reps for your level headed posts (Caine, the Mayweather having the best resume is debatable though)
dont mind people believing floyd will beat manny and is fave going into that fight if it were to ever happen, but surely nobody can claim floyd has a better resume than pacquiao
floyds beaten hatton and marquez in the last 3 years
pacquiaos done that + barrera, cotto, de la hoya, clottey and diaz
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