Pacquiao-Clottey does 700,000 PPV buys

[killersheep]

Good news, boxing is still alive and well.

[toe2toe]

Good news, boxing is still alive and well.

Good recent showings. 51,000 live attendance for Pacquiao-Clottey and 50,000 live attendance for Wladimir Klitschko-Chambers fights.

[Nameless]

Good news, boxing is still alive and well.

No, it's dying, MMA already stab it

[Althugz]

Honestly, I was actually expecting a little higher but it makes sense as Clottey isn't cared about and also, I think people under estimate the power that the 24/7 show has for fight promotion.

Also Daxx, Hatton is only a real ppv attraction in the U.K and Marquez hardly has fans. Didn't his bouts with Manny do like 200-300k? I think Floyds star power shines a little brighter than people give him credit for - Whether it was because of Oscar or not, he's still the new Mr PPV.

[DaxxKahn]

Honestly, I was actually expecting a little higher but it makes sense as Clottey isn't cared about and also, I think people under estimate the power that the 24/7 show has for fight promotion.

Also Daxx, Hatton is only a real ppv attraction in the U.K and Marquez hardly has fans. Didn't his bouts with Manny do like 200-300k? I think Floyds star power shines a little brighter than people give him credit for - Whether it was because of Oscar or not, he's still the new Mr PPV.

Hatton is a bigger name or was a bigger name then given credit for...But there are UK residents and such in the US as well....

Marquez has plenty of fans...As for the PPV sales for him and Manny weree not too much different then PPV sales of lower weight classes especially under 130 this is nwhy there is not too many PPV fights at that weight...

Floyd Marquez did so well because of the
A possible PBF Pacquiao bout

People wanted to see what if anything Floyd lost during the layoff

People wanted to see how he did win or lose against Marquez....

If he won how much did he dominate...If he lost the possibility of Manny Marquez 3

They played big factors in that....

3 fights with Big PPV numbers that had circumstances around them do not qualiofy as the PPV King.....

Is Floyd the PPV king? It takes more then the 3 bouts this is being based on to assure that..I am not saying he might not be but people are jumping the gun....The Mosley fighthas drama around it aside from them 2 finally meeting...The whole Manny PED thing will help boost the sales added with 24/7...

I laugh because people have compared him as the next DLH in PPV but the day Floyd is able to sell PPV the way Oscar did with shit unknown opp will be the day he is the next DLH in PPV sales

[generalbulldog]

Honestly, I was actually expecting a little higher but it makes sense as Clottey isn't cared about and also, I think people under estimate the power that the 24/7 show has for fight promotion.

Also Daxx, Hatton is only a real ppv attraction in the U.K and Marquez hardly has fans. Didn't his bouts with Manny do like 200-300k? I think Floyds star power shines a little brighter than people give him credit for - Whether it was because of Oscar or not, he's still the new Mr PPV.

Hatton is a bigger name or was a bigger name then given credit for...But there are UK residents and such in the US as well....

Marquez has plenty of fans...As for the PPV sales for him and Manny weree not too much different then PPV sales of lower weight classes especially under 130 this is nwhy there is not too many PPV fights at that weight...

Floyd Marquez did so well because of the
A possible PBF Pacquiao bout

People wanted to see what if anything Floyd lost during the layoff

People wanted to see how he did win or lose against Marquez....

If he won how much did he dominate...If he lost the possibility of Manny Marquez 3

They played big factors in that....

3 fights with Big PPV numbers that had circumstances around them do not qualiofy as the PPV King.....

Is Floyd the PPV king? It takes more then the 3 bouts this is being based on to assure that..I am not saying he might not be but people are jumping the gun....The Mosley fighthas drama around it aside from them 2 finally meeting...The whole Manny PED thing will help boost the sales added with 24/7...

I laugh because people have compared him as the next DLH in PPV but the day Floyd is able to sell PPV the way Oscar did with shit unknown opp will be the day he is the next DLH in PPV sales

It doesn't matter what the excuses are, Floyd is the current PPV king, this fact cannot be disputed. He is the biggest draw on PPV, respect must be given for that.

Manny in his own right is a genuine superstar of the sport and has crossed over, this fact can't be denied as a lot of people on this forum say he's not a superstar and a cherry picking bum that doesn't deserve credit for his boxing career.

[JazMerkin]

Honestly, I was actually expecting a little higher but it makes sense as Clottey isn't cared about and also, I think people under estimate the power that the 24/7 show has for fight promotion.

Also Daxx, Hatton is only a real ppv attraction in the U.K and Marquez hardly has fans. Didn't his bouts with Manny do like 200-300k? I think Floyds star power shines a little brighter than people give him credit for - Whether it was because of Oscar or not, he's still the new Mr PPV.

Hatton is a bigger name or was a bigger name then given credit for...But there are UK residents and such in the US as well....

Which just as easily affects the PPV buys for the Pac/Hatton fight as it does the PBF/Hatton fight.

Marquez has plenty of fans...As for the PPV sales for him and Manny weree not too much different then PPV sales of lower weight classes especially under 130 this is nwhy there is not too many PPV fights at that weight...

That's just flagrantly not true Daxx. Marquez does have fans, but the fact was that before the fight, they were making a big deal about how a win for Marquez over a big name like Mayweather would give him the key to the massive Mexican-American fanbase. The indication was not that he was already at that stage.

Floyd Marquez did so well because of the
A possible PBF Pacquiao bout

You can just as easily argue the same about the Pac/Cotto fight or the Pac/Clottey fight, it doesn't make it true

People wanted to see what if anything Floyd lost during the layoff

Right, but then they were still buying for Floyd right?

People wanted to see how he did win or lose against Marquez....

But, wait isn't that still an interest in Floyd...

If he won how much did he dominate...If he lost the possibility of Manny Marquez 3

Isn't that basically the same point as 'if he lost something during the layoff'?

They played big factors in that....

3 fights with Big PPV numbers that had circumstances around them do not qualiofy as the PPV King.....

You can look at almost any PPV fight in history and come up with 'circumstances around them' for why they sold well or poorly.

Is Floyd the PPV king? It takes more then the 3 bouts this is being based on to assure that..I am not saying he might not be but people are jumping the gun....The Mosley fighthas drama around it aside from them 2 finally meeting...The whole Manny PED thing will help boost the sales added with 24/7...

So basically he has to fight a shit opponent so that you will give him credit as the PPV king? Wouldn't you then just criticize him for fighting a shit opponent?

I laugh because people have compared him as the next DLH in PPV but the day Floyd is able to sell PPV the way Oscar did with shit unknown opp will be the day he is the next DLH in PPV sales

What fight did ODLH sell that well. Let's set a benchmark of 600,000 sales as the tipping point & try & find a 'shit' opponent. I'll write the reply to this bit below.

It doesn't matter what the excuses are, Floyd is the current PPV king, this fact cannot be disputed. He is the biggest draw on PPV, respect must be given for that.

Manny in his own right is a genuine superstar of the sport and has crossed over, this fact can't be denied as a lot of people on this forum say he's not a superstar and a cherry picking bum that doesn't deserve credit for his boxing career.

It's absolutely ridiculous how people can't give either of these guys the credit they deserve. If you actually grouped their haters opinions together, you have two cherry-picking, fanless, overrated, cowardly c-list fighters rather than the reality which is two almost certain ATG fighters who've beaten much bigger guys in higher divisions while building up resumes that at least bare comparisom with some of the best of the past.

Daxx, in regard to your last point about Oscar doing well against shit opponents, here is his PPV history & let's set 600,000 as the base for good sales.

Top Pay Per View Events in Boxing History

Here's the fights that did over that number.

Pernell Whitaker - 720,000
Felix Trinidad - 1.4m
Fernando Vargas - 935,000
Shane Mosley II - 950,000
Bernard Hopkins - 1m
Ricardo Mayorga - 935,000
Floyd Mayweather - It has 2.15m here, I believe it was eventually 2.4m
Manny Pacquiao - If I remember right, this was 1.2m

So which opponent was 'shit' & which of those fights DIDN'T have circumstances around it that helped it sell better.

[DaxxKahn]

Hatton is a bigger name or was a bigger name then given credit for...But there are UK residents and such in the US as well....

Which just as easily affects the PPV buys for the Pac/Hatton fight as it does the PBF/Hatton fight.

Marquez has plenty of fans...As for the PPV sales for him and Manny weree not too much different then PPV sales of lower weight classes especially under 130 this is nwhy there is not too many PPV fights at that weight...

That's just flagrantly not true Daxx. Marquez does have fans, but the fact was that before the fight, they were making a big deal about how a win for Marquez over a big name like Mayweather would give him the key to the massive Mexican-American fanbase. The indication was not that he was already at that stage.

Floyd Marquez did so well because of the
A possible PBF Pacquiao bout

You can just as easily argue the same about the Pac/Cotto fight or the Pac/Clottey fight, it doesn't make it true

People wanted to see what if anything Floyd lost during the layoff

Right, but then they were still buying for Floyd right?

People wanted to see how he did win or lose against Marquez....

But, wait isn't that still an interest in Floyd...

If he won how much did he dominate...If he lost the possibility of Manny Marquez 3

Isn't that basically the same point as 'if he lost something during the layoff'?

They played big factors in that....

3 fights with Big PPV numbers that had circumstances around them do not qualiofy as the PPV King.....

You can look at almost any PPV fight in history and come up with 'circumstances around them' for why they sold well or poorly.

Is Floyd the PPV king? It takes more then the 3 bouts this is being based on to assure that..I am not saying he might not be but people are jumping the gun....The Mosley fighthas drama around it aside from them 2 finally meeting...The whole Manny PED thing will help boost the sales added with 24/7...

So basically he has to fight a shit opponent so that you will give him credit as the PPV king? Wouldn't you then just criticize him for fighting a shit opponent?

I laugh because people have compared him as the next DLH in PPV but the day Floyd is able to sell PPV the way Oscar did with shit unknown opp will be the day he is the next DLH in PPV sales

What fight did ODLH sell that well. Let's set a benchmark of 600,000 sales as the tipping point & try & find a 'shit' opponent. I'll write the reply to this bit below.

It doesn't matter what the excuses are, Floyd is the current PPV king, this fact cannot be disputed. He is the biggest draw on PPV, respect must be given for that.

Manny in his own right is a genuine superstar of the sport and has crossed over, this fact can't be denied as a lot of people on this forum say he's not a superstar and a cherry picking bum that doesn't deserve credit for his boxing career.

It's absolutely ridiculous how people can't give either of these guys the credit they deserve. If you actually grouped their haters opinions together, you have two cherry-picking, fanless, overrated, cowardly c-list fighters rather than the reality which is two almost certain ATG fighters who've beaten much bigger guys in higher divisions while building up resumes that at least bare comparisom with some of the best of the past.

Daxx, in regard to your last point about Oscar doing well against shit opponents, here is his PPV history & let's set 600,000 as the base for good sales.

Top Pay Per View Events in Boxing History

Here's the fights that did over that number.

Pernell Whitaker - 720,000
Felix Trinidad - 1.4m
Fernando Vargas - 935,000
Shane Mosley II - 950,000
Bernard Hopkins - 1m
Ricardo Mayorga - 935,000
Floyd Mayweather - It has 2.15m here, I believe it was eventually 2.4m
Manny Pacquiao - If I remember right, this was 1.2m

So which opponent was 'shit' & which of those fights DIDN'T have circumstances around it that helped it sell better.

You also leave off a lot of other PPV fights that you have to think about the day in which they were...PPV was not always as big as it was today..

Heavyweight fights were the big earners....In 1995,96,97 etc...Matter of fact who else other then DLH under hwt was headlining PPV fights on a constant basis


To sell over 500,600 buys in 97 for a fight with a washed up Camacho..is equal to almost a million today

400,000 Buys for a fight with Javier Castillejo ...In todays PPV terms that is almost double.. What circumstances were around that?


DLH is the most successfully marketed fighter of all time that includes Tyson and anyone else for that matter....

As for someone saying before how the Pacquiao Marquez ppv did shit...It was the highest grossing PPV under 147lb weight class....
Pacquiao Marquez set PPV record for any weight class below WWQ
Pacquiao-Marquez Sets PPV Record

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[quote=DaxxKahn;853283]

I laugh because people have compared him as the next DLH in PPV but the day Floyd is able to sell PPV the way Oscar did with shit unknown opp will be the day he is the next DLH in PPV sales

That is why I was careful NOT to say "he is the new De La Hoya" because I don't think he is THAT popular just yet and like you said, there aren't enough fights to judge that on.

However, that doesn't change the fact that he IS the current PPV king who is doing ridiculous numbers - Reasons why don't really matter..it is what it is right about now. He is the current PPV king due to the numbers. Who can you think of who pulls those kind of figures?

If we're talking worldwide, I don't think Pac is far behind but in the U.S there's no question it's MM.

[Pavlik]

Pacquiao's 700,000 buys are actually good when compared to De La Hoya's pay per view history

Below is a list of Oscar De La Hoya’s pay per view buys that was put together by Andrew Eisele at about.com

Oscar De La Hoya's Pay-Per-View History
1. Rafael Ruelas (5/95) 330,000 buys = $9.9 million
2. Genaro Hernandez (9/95) 220,000 buys = $6.6 million
3. Miguel Angel Gonzalez (1/97) 345,000 buys = $12.1 million
4. Pernell Whitaker (4/97) 720,000 buys = $28.8 million
5. Hector Camacho (9/97) 560,000 buys = $22.4 million
6. Wilfredo Rivera (12/97) 240,000 buys = $9.6 million
7. Julio Cesar Chavez II ( 9/9 525,000 buys = $23.6 million
8. Ike Quartey ( 2/99) 570,000 buys =$25.7 million
9. Felix Trinidad (9/99) 1.4 million buys = $71.4 million
10. Shane Mosley (6/00) 590,000 buys = $29.5 million
11. Javier Castillejo (6/01) 400,000 buys = $16.0 million
12. Fernando Vargas (9/02) 935,000 buys = $47.8 million
13. Yory Boy Campas (5/03) 350,000 buys = $17.5 million
14. Shane Mosley II (9/03) 950,000 buys = $48.4 million
15. Felix Sturm (6/04) 380,000 buys = $19.0 million
16. Bernard Hopkins (9/04) 1 million buys = $56.0 million
17. Ricardo Mayorga (5/06) 935,000 buys = $46.3 million
18. Floyd Mayweather Jr. (5/07) 2.15 million buys = $120.0 million
Totals: 12.6 million buys = $610.6 million