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    Default Clottey v. Pacquiao

    Call me a sadist, but I wouldn't mind seeing this match. I think Pac wouldn't be able to take him out and he'd have to work all 12 rounds as Josh would always be following him around. Maybe Pac might even get rocked a time or two. Clottey seems problematic for everyone he faces, but I doubt he'd have enough to win. Did I just talk myself out of my own match-up?

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    Default Re: Clottey v. Pacquiao

    clottey just doesn't have the workrate or flashiness to beat the elite fighters.

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    Default Re: Clottey v. Pacquiao

    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    clottey just doesn't have the workrate or flashiness to beat the elite fighters.

    Exactly.

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    Default Re: Clottey v. Pacquiao

    Clottey would be a very tough fight for Pacquiao.

    I would actually pick Clottey to win. Clottey has a tight guard, can take a good punch when he has to and his offensive game is underated. Clottey has a solid jab, sneaky right hand and is good at putting punches together plus he is way natural bigger than Pacquiao.

    Clottey's workrate could be his downfall because Pacquiao is an offensive manchine who can punch constantly for 12 rounds.

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    Default Re: Clottey v. Pacquiao

    Quote Originally Posted by Pugilistic View Post
    Clottey would be a very tough fight for Pacquiao.

    I would actually pick Clottey to win. Clottey has a tight guard, can take a good punch when he has to and his offensive game is underated. Clottey has a solid jab, sneaky right hand and is good at putting punches together plus he is way natural bigger than Pacquiao.

    Clottey's workrate could be his downfall because Pacquiao is an offensive manchine who can punch constantly for 12 rounds.




    i agree good uppercuts as well

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    Default Re: Clottey v. Pacquiao

    it isn't enough even though clottey could probably beat cotto, mosley, berto, pacquiao from a technical standpoint, and even though most of their punches wouldn't land as cleanly as his, its the fact his offense isn't eye catching, he does many things very well, but he doesn't step up his game when the going gets tough. Manny would break his will to win, and would outwork Clottey down the stretch.

    I actually think Clottey has pretty oustanding handspeed, excellent combinations, and a granite chin behind that excellent defense, but I don't think he has the will to win tough fights, and thats what seperates him from the elite fighters.

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    Default Re: Clottey v. Pacquiao

    workrate alone wins pacquiao this one, clottey is too happy to sit in his guard and soak up punches, he doesnt push the pace of fights enough, 100 punches or so more in his career and i believe he could very well be 37-1 rather than 35 - 3

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    Default Re: Clottey v. Pacquiao

    Yes we all know that Pacquiao has beaten up bigger guys the past year, but this is 1 fight I don't see Pacquiao winning. Clottey comes in at 170+ pounds on fight night. That's a freaking light heavyweight fighting at welterweight.

    Might as well ask how would Pacquiao do against Paul Williams.

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    Default Re: Clottey v. Pacquiao

    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    it isn't enough even though clottey could probably beat cotto, mosley, berto, pacquiao from a technical standpoint, and even though most of their punches wouldn't land as cleanly as his, its the fact his offense isn't eye catching, he does many things very well, but he doesn't step up his game when the going gets tough. Manny would break his will to win, and would outwork Clottey down the stretch.

    I actually think Clottey has pretty oustanding handspeed, excellent combinations, and a granite chin behind that excellent defense, but I don't think he has the will to win tough fights, and thats what seperates him from the elite fighters.
    Clottey's handspeed is seriously underated.

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    Default Re: Clottey v. Pacquiao

    Clottey is probably a bit too big and a bit to tough for Pac but you never know, Pac has a better workrate than Cotto and I think Cotto only just beat Clottey(with a nasty cut granted)so in theory you would think Pac could do the same.

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    Default Re: Clottey v. Pacquiao

    Quote Originally Posted by Pugilistic View Post
    Clottey would be a very tough fight for Pacquiao.

    I would actually pick Clottey to win. Clottey has a tight guard, can take a good punch when he has to and his offensive game is underated. Clottey has a solid jab, sneaky right hand and is good at putting punches together plus he is way natural bigger than Pacquiao.

    Clottey's workrate could be his downfall because Pacquiao is an offensive manchine who can punch constantly for 12 rounds.
    How many times do we have to heed the lessons of the past to look at the bright light?

    Clottey is just the same as cotto. diaz. hatton. de la hoya. a guy who goes straight to his foes. That's what pac wants. and he's going to get brutalized by pac while pac is giving him different angles. A tight guard doe'snt mean a thing when your opponent is faster than you and has great footwork. Those 2 attributes pac has. and just like what you said clottey's work rate is his down fall and believe me it will. Pac would'nt give clottey a moment to breathe during his fast assault. And speed kills. most especially if:
    1. the other guy is bigger therefore slower
    2. the other guy doe'snt counter well in the league of jmm.pbf. and casa.
    3. the other guy is not a slick. elusive fighter like pernell or pbf.

    And that's the bottomline...

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    Default Re: Clottey v. Pacquiao

    I thought DLH would be too big for Pac.
    I thought Hatton would be too big for Pac.
    I thought Cotto would be too big for Pac.

    So.......

    I think Clottey would be too big for Pac.

    (Just kidding)

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    Default Re: Clottey v. Pacquiao

    Quote Originally Posted by mad_takamura View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Pugilistic View Post
    Clottey would be a very tough fight for Pacquiao.

    I would actually pick Clottey to win. Clottey has a tight guard, can take a good punch when he has to and his offensive game is underated. Clottey has a solid jab, sneaky right hand and is good at putting punches together plus he is way natural bigger than Pacquiao.

    Clottey's workrate could be his downfall because Pacquiao is an offensive manchine who can punch constantly for 12 rounds.
    How many times do we have to heed the lessons of the past to look at the bright light?

    Clottey is just the same as cotto. diaz. hatton. de la hoya. a guy who goes straight to his foes. That's what pac wants. and he's going to get brutalized by pac while pac is giving him different angles. A tight guard doe'snt mean a thing when your opponent is faster than you and has great footwork. Those 2 attributes pac has. and just like what you said clottey's work rate is his down fall and believe me it will. Pac would'nt give clottey a moment to breathe during his fast assault. And speed kills. most especially if:
    1. the other guy is bigger therefore slower
    2. the other guy doe'snt counter well in the league of jmm.pbf. and casa.
    3. the other guy is not a slick. elusive fighter like pernell or pbf.

    And that's the bottomline...
    Yes but a good stiff jab can offset all that action, as we'll probably see in the Mayweather fight.

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    Default Re: Clottey v. Pacquiao

    i think clottey can definitely beat pacquiao but this fight will never happen because roach would never risk his cashcow pacquiao against a very dangerous fighter. besides, clottey wouldn't bring in the big bucks that pacquiao now demands. i also think clottey would walk through pacquiao's punches unlike cotto who's punch resistance isn't as good as clottey's. i also think clottey's superior jab would give pacquiao all kinds of problems and would have him dazed and confused. morales and marquez showed the way to beat pacquiao and that is by using a very good strong jab to keep pacquiao off balance. i think clottey wins this one in a war by late TKO.

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    Default Re: Clottey v. Pacquiao

    Quote Originally Posted by milmascaras1 View Post
    i think clottey can definitely beat pacquiao but this fight will never happen because roach would never risk his cashcow pacquiao against a very dangerous fighter. besides, clottey wouldn't bring in the big bucks that pacquiao now demands. i also think clottey would walk through pacquiao's punches unlike cotto who's punch resistance isn't as good as clottey's. i also think clottey's superior jab would give pacquiao all kinds of problems and would have him dazed and confused. morales and marquez showed the way to beat pacquiao and that is by using a very good strong jab to keep pacquiao off balance. i think clottey wins this one in a war by late TKO.
    Morales and marquez showed the way and de la hoya followed. What did pac do against that blueprint jab? Lead lefties then rolling under to the side. Hoya is known for his good jabs and killer left hooks yet because pac is faster than him, and even if hoya pursues pac with a barrage, pac is only going to duck those punches ala calderon and get away. That's what he's going to do to clottey too. Plus the jmm and em fights are years ago, pac definitely improved and stepped up to his game.
    I definitely want this fight to happen and we can have an avatar bet to see who wins. But like you said clottey is low reward for pac. But i disagree with you that he is a risk. Believe me, as strong as clottey is, pac is only going to toy with him.

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