Euro fighter gets free pass from public FACT

[killersheep]

Killer, what you have said is clearly NOT a fact. Come now...

Kinda like Abraham gets DQed for sparking American? Also not a fact, he got DQed for throwing an illegal punch.

[Fenster]

Killer, what you have said is clearly NOT a fact. Come now...

Kinda like Abraham gets DQed for sparking American? Also not a fact, he got DQed for throwing an illegal punch.

The European fighter got DQ'd for knocking the American fighter unconcious. This is an unequivocal fact. That's all i'm saying.

Had The American not been rendered unconcious i'm pretty sure they wouldn't have DQ'd the European... then again

[killersheep]

Killer, what you have said is clearly NOT a fact. Come now...

Kinda like Abraham gets DQed for sparking American? Also not a fact, he got DQed for throwing an illegal punch.

The European fighter got DQ'd for knocking the American fighter unconcious. This is an unequivocal fact. That's all i'm saying.

Had The American not been rendered unconcious i'm pretty sure they wouldn't have DQ'd the European... then again

Therefore, speculation AKA NOT A FACT. The inflection you are putting forth that it would be okay if Abraham was not disqualified for the illegal punch had it not been as damaging, is that correct?

[TheMacMagician]

I thought it was a dirty cheap shot by AA and he was rightfully disqualified.

I also think Andre Dirrell plain and straight acted, which disappoints me and is something that should be confined to Cristiano Ronaldo types, which makes me think that Dirrell is a Ronaldo type. On the other hand, I really like Dirrell and think if applied himself better and been more aggressive, he would have had Froch out of there inside 8 rounds no sweat and would stand at the top at the moment. Dirrell Ward is going to be a very good BOXING exhibition indeed. I think seen as this has happened, this tourney is now wide open for Green to get in there....

[JazMerkin]

I thought it was a dirty cheap shot by AA and he was rightfully disqualified.

I also think Andre Dirrell plain and straight acted, which disappoints me and is something that should be confined to Cristiano Ronaldo types, which makes me think that Dirrell is a Ronaldo type. On the other hand, I really like Dirrell and think if applied himself better and been more aggressive, he would have had Froch out of there inside 8 rounds no sweat and would stand at the top at the moment. Dirrell Ward is going to be a very good BOXING exhibition indeed. I think seen as this has happened, this tourney is now wide open for Green to get in there....

I just cannot see how you could see that. I've seen guys in the gym get KO'd just like that & behave the same, only difference is they woke up in an ambulance rather than thinking they'd just blown the biggest fight of their life.

The twitching of the eye, the delayed drop, the convulsions are all very typical symptoms of being concussed. Like I said in another thread, if Dirrell is that good an actor, he doesn't need to box, he can go be a Hollywood megastar.

[TheMacMagician]

I thought it was a dirty cheap shot by AA and he was rightfully disqualified.

I also think Andre Dirrell plain and straight acted, which disappoints me and is something that should be confined to Cristiano Ronaldo types, which makes me think that Dirrell is a Ronaldo type. On the other hand, I really like Dirrell and think if applied himself better and been more aggressive, he would have had Froch out of there inside 8 rounds no sweat and would stand at the top at the moment. Dirrell Ward is going to be a very good BOXING exhibition indeed. I think seen as this has happened, this tourney is now wide open for Green to get in there....

I just cannot see how you could see that. I've seen guys in the gym get KO'd just like that & behave the same, only difference is they woke up in an ambulance rather than thinking they'd just blown the biggest fight of their life.

The twitching of the eye, the delayed drop, the convulsions are all very typical symptoms of being concussed. Like I said in another thread, if Dirrell is that good an actor, he doesn't need to box, he can go be a Hollywood megastar.

To be honest Jaz, to someone not versed in the science of neurology, I saw it as Dirrell taking a shot, looking at AA in a little disgust, holding his nose and then lying down and wincing, slight wrythe and a shake. Then getting up, whining, crying and saying Let me breath, Let me breath man.... I just all seemed kinda fit for screen you know..... Can't help it. I just wish for his sake he would have won that straight like he was doing... Would have been so much better for everyone involved. Ha.

[killersheep]

I thought it was a dirty cheap shot by AA and he was rightfully disqualified.

I also think Andre Dirrell plain and straight acted, which disappoints me and is something that should be confined to Cristiano Ronaldo types, which makes me think that Dirrell is a Ronaldo type. On the other hand, I really like Dirrell and think if applied himself better and been more aggressive, he would have had Froch out of there inside 8 rounds no sweat and would stand at the top at the moment. Dirrell Ward is going to be a very good BOXING exhibition indeed. I think seen as this has happened, this tourney is now wide open for Green to get in there....

I just cannot see how you could see that. I've seen guys in the gym get KO'd just like that & behave the same, only difference is they woke up in an ambulance rather than thinking they'd just blown the biggest fight of their life.

The twitching of the eye, the delayed drop, the convulsions are all very typical symptoms of being concussed. Like I said in another thread, if Dirrell is that good an actor, he doesn't need to box, he can go be a Hollywood megastar.

To be honest Jaz, to someone not versed in the science of neurology, I saw it as Dirrell taking a shot, looking at AA in a little disgust, holding his nose and then lying down and wincing, slight wrythe and a shake. Then getting up, whining, crying and saying Let me breath, Let me breath man.... I just all seemed kinda fit for screen you know..... Can't help it. I just wish for his sake he would have won that straight like he was doing... Would have been so much better for everyone involved. Ha.

So if the results come back saying he was concussed will that affect your view?

[JazMerkin]

To be honest Jaz, to someone not versed in the science of neurology, I saw it as Dirrell taking a shot, looking at AA in a little disgust, holding his nose and then lying down and wincing, slight wrythe and a shake. Then getting up, whining, crying and saying Let me breath, Let me breath man.... I just all seemed kinda fit for screen you know..... Can't help it. I just wish for his sake he would have won that straight like he was doing... Would have been so much better for everyone involved. Ha.

I'm no neurologist, I've just seen it happen to plenty of guys before, both up close & on tv. You have to remember that Gerald McClellan didn't go down immediately, Z Gorres was up for a few minutes after his fight before lapsing into a coma & even Taylor was trying to get up.

I didn't think he looked at him, I saw his eye start twitching to one side, a drop & then pawing around his eyes (which I've noticed a lot of people do when this happens, must be a nerve reaction or something). Those convulsions were not fake. If you saw the aftermath of the Gorres-Melendez fight, it reminded me a lot of that. Afterwards, he was convinced he'd blown the biggest fight of his career & was most likely concussed. He was talking gibberish, that's not built for the screen.

I think if you're trying to imply he's not a real man for how he acted when he got up, you need to reflect on how he fought & how he roared back at Abraham in the 5th I think when he got caught. He learned the lessons of the Froch fight & last night he showed real heart. I think the reaction was almost entirely down to believing he'd lost & also major concussion.

One argument I've seen given is he took harder shots (I'm not saying you've said this) during the fight and stayed up. The crucial thing there is his feet were underneath him. When you've not got your feet underneath you & your body is loose like his was the shots hit you much harder. When you consider how hard AA punches, I'm amazed he wasn't stretchered out of there. These guys were my 2 favourites going into the tourney, but I was cheering on AA last night, but it is him and him alone who is responsible for anything negative to do with last night.

In defence of Abraham I will say this. Dirrell ducks low a lot, so Abraham with the blood in his eye may well have believed his feet were planted. Also his reaction immediately afterwards may also be a result of the testosterone and anger at himself for losing, so not too much stock should be put in that. He's a decent guy & HIS actions at the post-fight presser would reflect this.

However, there are 2 very serious issues that need to be addressed with the Abraham camp, not him particularly. The first is the water in the corner that caused the slip. They were warned about this more than once, and yet just left it there, possibly suspecting Dirrell would gravitate towards it. There needs to be an investigation of AA's corner team, because any corner whether pro or amateur should know to dry off the corner before the round starts. The second is the apparent insistence of their camp that Dirrell undergo steroid tests post-fight before he was treated for concussion. Gary Shaw has alleged this & if true, seriously fuck them, the fighter's welfare is more important, a piss test can be done a couple of hours later.

Oh yeah & fuck Mick Hennessey for apparently taking the piss out of Dirrell's family as they walked him back to the dressing room. Whatever you feel about Dirrell, taking the piss out of his wife & family is unacceptable if you're a fan, let alone a 'respected' promoter.

[Fenster]

No I think the decision to DQ Abraham was understandable.

[Truth]

Euro fighter gets a pass because of American Fighter's antics is what it should read. Almost everyone who's not a complete fanboy has said it was a blatant cowardly cheap shot however many as I am are in the opinion that Dirrell dressed it up as well as he could

[killersheep]

Euro fighter gets a pass because of American Fighter's antics is what it should read. Almost everyone who's not a complete fanboy has said it was a blatant cowardly cheap shot however many as I am are in the opinion that Dirrell dressed it up as well as he could

You can speculate all you want, but I'm waiting for the medical results to state if he was concussed or not, then I will pass judgement. You know brain injuries can have really bizarre delayed actions, I mean anyone remember Oscar Diaz in between rounds against Delvin Rodriguez?

[killersheep]

No I think the decision to DQ Abraham was understandable.

So from that we can conclude the only fact here is that Abraham was DQed for an illegal punch. NOT from knocking out Dirrell, that's speculation. Can you agree with that?

[Fenster]

No I think the decision to DQ Abraham was understandable.

So from that we can conclude the only fact here is that Abraham was DQed for an illegal punch. NOT from knocking out Dirrell, that's speculation. Can you agree with that?

OK sheep, try this

European knocks American unconcious ref DQ's him for illegal blow. Fact.

Is that OK?

Would you like me to change my thread title?

[JazMerkin]

No I think the decision to DQ Abraham was understandable.

So from that we can conclude the only fact here is that Abraham was DQed for an illegal punch. NOT from knocking out Dirrell, that's speculation. Can you agree with that?

OK sheep, try this

European knocks American unconcious ref DQ's him for illegal blow. Fact.

Is that OK?

Would you like me to change my thread title?

Fenster, you're just annoyed you don't have an actual robbery to have a go at the Americans for. Always trying to create controversy

[killersheep]

No I think the decision to DQ Abraham was understandable.

So from that we can conclude the only fact here is that Abraham was DQed for an illegal punch. NOT from knocking out Dirrell, that's speculation. Can you agree with that?

OK sheep, try this

European knocks American unconcious ref DQ's him for illegal blow. Fact.

Is that OK?

Would you like me to change my thread title?

How about American sparked out from blantant illegal blow?

Read the title you posted as it stands, it clearly puts the blame on America favoring America as per usual. I mean why not post a thread like "American doctor repairs Armenian's cut in the middle of a round."