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    Default Re: Why would dirrel need to act, he was going to win anyway...

    Quote Originally Posted by ono View Post
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    He wasn't definitely going to win. He was leading and Abraham was putting it on.

    Just seen it again now. Disgrace. He hits him, he looks back at Abraham, grabs his nose, takes a second to think about it, and then flops down and rolls round a little bit before starting the leg shaking routine.

    On a side note i don't think i've ever witnessed so much one sided commentary. They barely even acknowledged Dirrell's knockdown, refusing to believe that the punch caused it. I can't believe that out of the commentary team, not one of them even questioned Dirrell's play-acting skills.

    Dirrell is a 100% shithouse
    Google Indian Larry...he was doing some entertaining with his motorcycle at a show. He was standing on his seat while riding his motorcycle fell off without a helmet. He proceeded to get up and wave to the crowd acknowledging he was ok and then collapsed and died. I am sure he was faking it too, I mean others have faked their death
    You can't even compare the two incidents. For a start one was a real injury, the other one wasn't.
    So now Dirrell taking that shot flush unexpectedly on the canvas isn't a real injury? Please tell me I'm not hearing this
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    Default Re: Why would dirrel need to act, he was going to win anyway...

    there's a big difference between "going to win" and "sure win by dq". i think dirrell is fully aware of that.

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    Why should Dirrell continue after that shit? Whats next in the 12th Abraham pulling a Tyson and biting his ear off? Once Abraham was out of the fight on point, the fouls started. Hitting behind the head, looking for point deductions(works in Germany...) I guess Abraham is a good actor too, he acted like he didnt know Dirrell was on the ground.

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    Default Re: Why would dirrel need to act, he was going to win anyway...

    Quote Originally Posted by toe2toe View Post
    there's a big difference between "going to win" and "sure win by dq". i think dirrell is fully aware of that.
    Youre missing the point, Dirrell didn't make AA hit him while he was down. Even if he got up the fight would or could have been called anyhow. The foul is why he was DQ'd not because dirrell was "acting"...
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    GAME are you serious? Do you honestly believe everything you type or is it just some sort of twisted sarcasm? Honestly most everything you are saying is shit and if you believe that out of the 4 fights the last 2 have been most controversial then you are just lying to yourself, and that's said. Dirrell was robbed robbed robbed against Froch. Sure he participated in a shit fight so it's a little hard to sympathize with him but he won 3 times as many rounds as Froch and that's a conservative estimate. Whatever, he won this one even though he was playing with fire all night. What kills me is you are playing the victim card for Abraham, that's what's unbelievable to me. Honestly, stop lying to yourself man it's pathetic and quite honestly embarrassing. Abraham fucked up and has only himself to blame, leave it at that and move on. Some fighters say after robberies "I shouldn't have put it in the hands of the judges", Abraham should say "I shouldn't clock my opponents on the ground."

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    Default Re: Why would dirrel need to act, he was going to win anyway...

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    there's a big difference between "going to win" and "sure win by dq". i think dirrell is fully aware of that.
    Youre missing the point, Dirrell didn't make AA hit him while he was down. Even if he got up the fight would or could have been called anyhow. The foul is why he was DQ'd not because dirrell was "acting"...
    it's an illegal punch and dq was the proper decision. no question about that. in the heat of the fight and the growing objective of abraham to ko dirrel, that illegal punch could be intentional or not intentional.

    dirrell found a way to eliminate the possibility of him being ko'ed in the last remaining 5 minutes of the fight. why risk further when you can already secure a "sure win by dq" by not standing up. if he stood up and brush the punch as if nothing happens, there's a possibility that abraham is just penalized with points deduction.

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    Default Re: Why would dirrel need to act, he was going to win anyway...

    Ok, first off hitting someone while down isn't an automatic dq. I've seen it done many times and the ref usually takes into consideration whether it was intentional or not. The severity and situation surrounding the foul dictates when someone is dq'd. Same as a low blow. Unless a fighter obviously and maliciously throws a low blow or a punch way after the bell, they are usually penalized or warned before ending the fight.

    My opinion is that AA didn't intentionally foul him. It was heat of the moment and he was loading up cause he had Dirrell hurt and was looking for a ko.

    Dirrell's response is hard for me to determine. My first thought was he faked it. His initial response was very odd after receiving a knockout blow. However, his responses and behavior after the dq make me wonder. I'm undecided, I watched it several times and still can't make up my mind whether he faked it or not.

    Overall, the foul and Dirrell not being able to continue left the ref with only 2 options. He could have dq'd or went to the scorecards, just like an accidental headbutt. Either of those would have left Dirrell with a win. So it's very unfortunate that AA threw that punch. I felt like Dirrell was in big trouble and very well may have been ko'd in the 12th. I'm sure if AA could do it over he wouldn't have thrown that punch. It was a terrible ending no matter how it really happened. If Dirrell faked that, he's a fruitcake. If AA threw it on purpose he's a dirty punk. If it was an accidental punch, it ruined AA's chance of winning and possibly severely injured a young and very talented fighter.

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    Default Re: Why would dirrel need to act, he was going to win anyway...

    it was funny when abe said "he is good actor" after the fight.

    direll was hitting him low the whole night,and when abe knocked direll down from a punch,they called it a slip.by the time abe saw him slip,he was so aggrivated he just hit him anyway.

    i blame most of it on bad refereeing in the first place.

    still,cant hit a guy when he's down,be it a knock down or a slip.

    they need to get joe cortez in there or something.

    is mills lane still coming back anytime soon?

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    Default Re: Why would dirrel need to act, he was going to win anyway...

    Quote Originally Posted by Majesty View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ono View Post
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    Google Indian Larry...he was doing some entertaining with his motorcycle at a show. He was standing on his seat while riding his motorcycle fell off without a helmet. He proceeded to get up and wave to the crowd acknowledging he was ok and then collapsed and died. I am sure he was faking it too, I mean others have faked their death
    You can't even compare the two incidents. For a start one was a real injury, the other one wasn't.
    So now Dirrell taking that shot flush unexpectedly on the canvas isn't a real injury? Please tell me I'm not hearing this
    No, because it wasn't all that flush and it was an arm shot at best. He looked back at him and then touched his face like it physically hurt him. Seriously, i've never ever seen someone wince from pain, take a second to think about it and then flop. Especially when the shot wasn't anything special.

    You can point out at a thousand similar incidents, but i know what i saw. I saw a man taking the easy way out.

    Nothing adds up. Hel felt the pain of the shot, and he was cleary annoyed with the shot, then he paused, then he went down. He rolled in and out of the ring, before he started twitching his leg. He wouldn't let the Dr look into his eyes.

    When he came round he acted like he thought he'd lost, but as soon as someone mentioned he'd won, his memory came back in a flash, which wouldn't happen, and his recollection of the knockout blow would in all probability not come back to him, certainly not that quickly. He was also coherent enough to hear somebody ringside questioning the knockout, which again is strange. He then got upset at what he'd heard. Again, bizarre behaviour for somebody who had been out cold for a while.

    But what's even more bizarre is that despite apparently being unconscious for a good while and despite suffering a convulsion, no sign of even the mildest concussion showed up on the scans.
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    Default Re: Why would dirrel need to act, he was going to win anyway...

    Quote Originally Posted by ono View Post
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    You can't even compare the two incidents. For a start one was a real injury, the other one wasn't.
    So now Dirrell taking that shot flush unexpectedly on the canvas isn't a real injury? Please tell me I'm not hearing this
    No, because it wasn't all that flush and it was an arm shot at best. He looked back at him and then touched his face like it physically hurt him. Seriously, i've never ever seen someone wince from pain, take a second to think about it and then flop. Especially when the shot wasn't anything special.

    You can point out at a thousand similar incidents, but i know what i saw. I saw a man taking the easy way out.

    Nothing adds up. Hel felt the pain of the shot, and he was cleary annoyed with the shot, then he paused, then he went down. He rolled in and out of the ring, before he started twitching his leg. He wouldn't let the Dr look into his eyes.

    When he came round he acted like he thought he'd lost, but as soon as someone mentioned he'd won, his memory came back in a flash, which wouldn't happen, and his recollection of the knockout blow would in all probability not come back to him, certainly not that quickly. He was also coherent enough to hear somebody ringside questioning the knockout, which again is strange. He then got upset at what he'd heard. Again, bizarre behaviour for somebody who had been out cold for a while.

    But what's even more bizarre is that despite apparently being unconscious for a good while and despite suffering a convulsion, no sign of even the mildest concussion showed up on the scans.
    I see you're a neurologist. Regardless, any boxer who has been a pro longer than a year knows it's an automatic DQ when you hit an opponent while he is down. So, if Dirrell 'thought about it' as you say, why go through the embarrassment and subject himself to scrutiny by falling onto his back, flopping around and endanger his career by presenting himself as completely disoriented during the post-fight interview. None of these things engender themselves to prolonging one's career. For the next half dozen or so fights, definitely for the remainder of this tourney, people are going to be questioning if Dirrell should be in this tourney, if his head is right, if he has the ability to be effective. Fighters sometimes fake being hurt, but they don't fake discombobulation. It calls into question too many things they need to have established in order to be considered elite.

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