Bob n Weave -- Bend at the hips or knees?

[Scrap]

Chin in line with your Bollocks

[N Maiberg]

Hehe, when you can suck yourself off you're at the perfect angle. Joking aside, you need a bit of both, personally if I bend too much in the knees I lose balance because I move around a lot while fighting. Never standing still. So I bend more at the hips. A bit of both, plenty of angle. Practice with a piece of wood or a pipe sticking out from a wall at around waist/stomach height. Should prove useful.

[Scrap]

That should read Horizontal.

[Scrap]

Getting me at it Vertical

[WayneFlint]

also if your bending at the hips your giving your opponent a reach advantage if he aims for your head everytime you do it, aswell as setting yourself up for being fed an uppercut on your way down, also the proper bio mechanics of hooks are lost when doing this which means your fighting against your bodys joints to throw the hooks while bent at the hips which will tire you much faster while producing a much slower and weaker shot so you can say goodbye to effective punching or counter punching while weaving this way, and most importantly if done too much you cant fully see what your opponent is doing

P.S also it puts you off balance which generally makes the whole thing slow and clumbsy, the ladys not for weaving using the hips

[Fran@myboxingcoach]

Hey Man

I'm with Scrap. If you bend at the knees, you can still throw shots. If you bend at the waist, you are largely ineffective. For ducking, look here. For slipping, look here.

Cheers

Fran

[Chris Nagel]

Not intending for dispute, here's a post that reiterates what Dempsey wrote in his book:

I know that Dempsey loved to lean away and under from punches by moving his upper body back towards his right. It loaded up his right hand and made him extremely hard to reach. The Dempsey roll would come after. With his upper-body positioned over towards his right side (which by the way he stood was behind him - he stood almost sideways) he would weave low so that weight would be over his left leg. This movement slipped punches and allowed him to load up on his left hook.

The whole theme of this is to make the opponent miss whilst putting the body's weight in a position to strike. If you notice of Dempsey, he always had full leverage on every punch. You must start out in a stance similar to his to do that.

Dempsey did it in every fight. He was also hard to hit and had very underrated defense. Too bad that because he liked to press forward he gets billed as being some kind of a savage incapable of thought. He was pretty cagey in my opinion.

As for the move it doesn't limit your vision. I'm not sure how it would. And you're right that it leaves you in a position where you can't punch but only for the left hand. If you've seen any Dempsey you know that he likes to spring up from that crouch with a right hand. Dempsey hit pretty hard last I remember.


He looks pretty open but know that Dempsey's upper-body was constantly moving and he used a shoulder roll. Tunney as quoted saying that Dempsey was one of the hardest fighters to hit with his right. Kept catching air or shoulder.