Pavlik v Martinez only a few weeks away who you got?

[CFH]

Pavlik is going to win by tko. From what I've seen, Martinez isn't that hard to hit and Pavlik can bang. Like Williams, he's going to throw a shit-ton of punches and I think he'll land regularly, hurt Martinez and eventually stop him.

Martinez is very hard to hit, he just doesn't flail around like most defense first fighters. He just moves ever so slightly, just enough the way it should be done.

He got tagged a lot (and hurt) against Williams, who is somewhat similar to Pavlik in the sense that he has impressive reach and throws a ton of punches. I know they're totally different fighters in pretty much every other way, but that fight convinced me that Pavlik would beat Martinez

[killersheep]

Pavlik is going to win by tko. From what I've seen, Martinez isn't that hard to hit and Pavlik can bang. Like Williams, he's going to throw a shit-ton of punches and I think he'll land regularly, hurt Martinez and eventually stop him.

Martinez is very hard to hit, he just doesn't flail around like most defense first fighters. He just moves ever so slightly, just enough the way it should be done.

He got tagged a lot (and hurt) against Williams, who is somewhat similar to Pavlik in the sense that he has impressive reach and throws a ton of punches. I know they're totally different fighters in pretty much every other way, but that fight convinced me that Pavlik would beat Martinez

Would you care for a sigi bet?

I don't remember him being hurt, but I remember him being off-balance and getting put down. He hurt Williams a few times and that was Williams at Middleweight.

[CFH]

Martinez is very hard to hit, he just doesn't flail around like most defense first fighters. He just moves ever so slightly, just enough the way it should be done.

He got tagged a lot (and hurt) against Williams, who is somewhat similar to Pavlik in the sense that he has impressive reach and throws a ton of punches. I know they're totally different fighters in pretty much every other way, but that fight convinced me that Pavlik would beat Martinez

Would you care for a sigi bet?

I don't remember him being hurt, but I remember him being off-balance and getting put down. He hurt Williams a few times and that was Williams at Middleweight.

I have never sig. bet anyone before, though I've often fantasized about beating Lyle and making him sport a Jimmy Carter sig, but I digress. If you really want to we can I guess, though I don't really see the point. I can't stand Kelly Pavlik and I'd love to watch Martinez (who I really like) beat him, but I guess I'm just not as impressed with Martinez as everyone else is. He's a very good fighter, but he has his flaws and I think Pavlik will exploit them and overwhelm him.

[killersheep]

He got tagged a lot (and hurt) against Williams, who is somewhat similar to Pavlik in the sense that he has impressive reach and throws a ton of punches. I know they're totally different fighters in pretty much every other way, but that fight convinced me that Pavlik would beat Martinez

Would you care for a sigi bet?

I don't remember him being hurt, but I remember him being off-balance and getting put down. He hurt Williams a few times and that was Williams at Middleweight.

I have never sig. bet anyone before, though I've often fantasized about beating Lyle and making him sport a Jimmy Carter sig, but I digress. If you really want to we can I guess, though I don't really see the point. I can't stand Kelly Pavlik and I'd love to watch Martinez (who I really like) beat him, but I guess I'm just not as impressed with Martinez as everyone else is. He's a very good fighter, but he has his flaws and I think Pavlik will exploit them and overwhelm him.

Who about we don't make it horrible, but if you lose you just put up the losers face in your sigi. I look forward to seeing you sigi with Pavlik all cut up and puffy eyed.

[killersheep]

This highlight vid has some good examples of his defensive prowess. I recommend watchin it on mute.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t1M3...eature=related

[TitoFan]

I like both these guys, and it should be a hell of a fight. Assuming Pavlik took away some lessons from his fight with Professor Hopkins, he's gonna be that much better than before. Based on his size and punching power, I'd have to bet on Pavlik by late stoppage, although I have nothing but respect for Martinez's skills.

[CFH]

This highlight vid has some good examples of his defensive prowess. I recommend watchin it on mute.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t1M3...eature=related

I was very impressed with Martinez' elusiveness when he fought Bunema and Cintron, but it seemed to me that Williams workrate overwhelmed his defenses and I think Pavlik will do that same. The only difference is that Pavlik's shots are going to do much more damage than Willaims'.

[sumkalambay]

martinez isn't that hard to hit. but he's good enough to beat pavlik.

[Rantcatrat]

Let's not forget Martinez fought Williams at 160 and in my opinion won that fight although it wasn't a robbery. Williams took that fight at 160 to have at least one advantage over Martinez. Has anyone else noticed how Williams is not referred to as the "most feared man in boxing" ever since the Martinez fight? It is safe to say Martinez took away some of the mystique surrounding Paul Williams. The same Paul Williams that people felt Pavlik ducked and dodged. Thus, the mental edge goes to Martinez.

I love Martinez as a boxer. He reminds me of the Flamingo guy in Mike Tyson's punchout (do I have the name right?). He brings class and style to the ring. Pavlik has yet to beat anyone like Martinez and I could see Martinez blowing him out. Pavlik's advantages in height and power keep him in this one. It's a very tough call. The result could be like the Williams fight in that many will feel Martinez won, but that the fight was close, and could have gone either way with Pavlik getting the official W.

[rjj tszyu]

At the moment you can get 9/4 for a Pavlik KO. I think that may get better as more bookies release their prices on the fight but even still its worth a bet for me.

Pavlik KO.

[Mo Frazier]

Martinez is gonna put it to Pavlik, just like Paul would've; Pavlik is too one dimensional.

[CFH]

Would you care for a sigi bet?

I don't remember him being hurt, but I remember him being off-balance and getting put down. He hurt Williams a few times and that was Williams at Middleweight.

I have never sig. bet anyone before, though I've often fantasized about beating Lyle and making him sport a Jimmy Carter sig, but I digress. If you really want to we can I guess, though I don't really see the point. I can't stand Kelly Pavlik and I'd love to watch Martinez (who I really like) beat him, but I guess I'm just not as impressed with Martinez as everyone else is. He's a very good fighter, but he has his flaws and I think Pavlik will exploit them and overwhelm him.

Who about we don't make it horrible, but if you lose you just put up the losers face in your sigi. I look forward to seeing you sigi with Pavlik all cut up and puffy eyed.

I'd enjoy that. I'd almost feel bad making you put up one of Martinez though, I really like him as a fighter. We'll have to include some kind of writing to let everyone know the the loser lost a bet to the winner.

I'll take that bet Killer, but you'll probably have to remind me closer to the fight itself as I'm likely to forget.