Pavlik v Martinez only a few weeks away who you got?

[CFH]

Martinez is very hard to hit, he just doesn't flail around like most defense first fighters. He just moves ever so slightly, just enough the way it should be done.

He got tagged a lot (and hurt) against Williams, who is somewhat similar to Pavlik in the sense that he has impressive reach and throws a ton of punches. I know they're totally different fighters in pretty much every other way, but that fight convinced me that Pavlik would beat Martinez

Would you care for a sigi bet?

I don't remember him being hurt, but I remember him being off-balance and getting put down. He hurt Williams a few times and that was Williams at Middleweight.

I have never sig. bet anyone before, though I've often fantasized about beating Lyle and making him sport a Jimmy Carter sig, but I digress. If you really want to we can I guess, though I don't really see the point. I can't stand Kelly Pavlik and I'd love to watch Martinez (who I really like) beat him, but I guess I'm just not as impressed with Martinez as everyone else is. He's a very good fighter, but he has his flaws and I think Pavlik will exploit them and overwhelm him.

[killersheep]

He got tagged a lot (and hurt) against Williams, who is somewhat similar to Pavlik in the sense that he has impressive reach and throws a ton of punches. I know they're totally different fighters in pretty much every other way, but that fight convinced me that Pavlik would beat Martinez

Would you care for a sigi bet?

I don't remember him being hurt, but I remember him being off-balance and getting put down. He hurt Williams a few times and that was Williams at Middleweight.

I have never sig. bet anyone before, though I've often fantasized about beating Lyle and making him sport a Jimmy Carter sig, but I digress. If you really want to we can I guess, though I don't really see the point. I can't stand Kelly Pavlik and I'd love to watch Martinez (who I really like) beat him, but I guess I'm just not as impressed with Martinez as everyone else is. He's a very good fighter, but he has his flaws and I think Pavlik will exploit them and overwhelm him.

Who about we don't make it horrible, but if you lose you just put up the losers face in your sigi. I look forward to seeing you sigi with Pavlik all cut up and puffy eyed.

[killersheep]

This highlight vid has some good examples of his defensive prowess. I recommend watchin it on mute.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t1M3...eature=related

[TitoFan]

I like both these guys, and it should be a hell of a fight. Assuming Pavlik took away some lessons from his fight with Professor Hopkins, he's gonna be that much better than before. Based on his size and punching power, I'd have to bet on Pavlik by late stoppage, although I have nothing but respect for Martinez's skills.

[CFH]

This highlight vid has some good examples of his defensive prowess. I recommend watchin it on mute.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t1M3...eature=related

I was very impressed with Martinez' elusiveness when he fought Bunema and Cintron, but it seemed to me that Williams workrate overwhelmed his defenses and I think Pavlik will do that same. The only difference is that Pavlik's shots are going to do much more damage than Willaims'.

[sumkalambay]

martinez isn't that hard to hit. but he's good enough to beat pavlik.

[Althugz]

I fancy Martinez over Pavlik - Well, at least I hope he beats Pavlik and I can see him doing it too.

I think Martinez will have taken home some lessons on Pavlik after watching his fight with Hopkins. Don't allow Pavlik to set himself and get into a rhythm and you'll be fine. The way Martinez fights and counters awkwardly, I think he'll be Pavliks achilles heel!

[p4pking]

I fancy Martinez over Pavlik - Well, at least I hope he beats Pavlik and I can see him doing it too.

I think Martinez will have taken home some lessons on Pavlik after watching his fight with Hopkins. Don't allow Pavlik to set himself and get into a rhythm and you'll be fine. The way Martinez fights and counters awkwardly, I think he'll be Pavliks achilles heel!

Yeah, stylistically I think Martinez has an dge, but Hopkins didn't just outbox Pavlik, he really beat him up and was much stronger. Martinez isn't nearly as good an infighter, and really doesn't do much of anything as well as Hopkins does, I think Pavlik has a pretty good chance to turn it into a more physical fight, but hope I'm wrong about that, I don't like Pavlik much at all as a boxer.

[Rantcatrat]

Let's not forget Martinez fought Williams at 160 and in my opinion won that fight although it wasn't a robbery. Williams took that fight at 160 to have at least one advantage over Martinez. Has anyone else noticed how Williams is not referred to as the "most feared man in boxing" ever since the Martinez fight? It is safe to say Martinez took away some of the mystique surrounding Paul Williams. The same Paul Williams that people felt Pavlik ducked and dodged. Thus, the mental edge goes to Martinez.

I love Martinez as a boxer. He reminds me of the Flamingo guy in Mike Tyson's punchout (do I have the name right?). He brings class and style to the ring. Pavlik has yet to beat anyone like Martinez and I could see Martinez blowing him out. Pavlik's advantages in height and power keep him in this one. It's a very tough call. The result could be like the Williams fight in that many will feel Martinez won, but that the fight was close, and could have gone either way with Pavlik getting the official W.

[rjj tszyu]

At the moment you can get 9/4 for a Pavlik KO. I think that may get better as more bookies release their prices on the fight but even still its worth a bet for me.

Pavlik KO.

[The Fightfan]

I think if Pavlik believes his own hype that he is a "one punch knockouter" kind of guy he will be in trouble. But if the old Kelly shows up throwing over 100 punches a round or close to that.It will be a good night for Kelly. I think Martinez is slick and has great skill at 154 but at 160 Kelly is a different animal than Martinez has ever faced.Even if the punches are blocked they physically will move Martinez around the ring. I say TKO in 10 for Kelly. Martinez could win this if he is on his bicycle all night but I think he will have too much pride and try to trade with Kelly at some point and get hurt.

[ICB]

I know Sergio Martinez has had some good performances, but im still not sold on him. And i think his ability is overrated, and i remember him getting spanked around by Antonio Margarito.

And i don't think he's improved that much since that fight, and if Antonio Margarito can beat him. Who is a similar pressure fighter to Kelly Pavlik. Due to the fact there big guys for the weightclass, who throw a ton of punches.

Then i don't see why Kelly Pavlik can't win, and i think he's being forgotten. Just because he moved up two weightclass, and looked stale vs Bernard Hopkins. When he didn't even belong at that weightclass.

Im not saying Kelly Pavlik is some great fighter, he isn't. But he's exciting as they come, and he has a good reach. Along with good power, and he's very good at setting things up off the jab.

And im going with Kelly Pavlik because i've been a fan of his, for quite a few years now. And even though i do like Sergio Martinez, i do think he has been overrated somewhat. Or maybe im just being too harsh on him i don't know really, but whatever im going with my boy Kelly Pavlik.

[Rantcatrat]

I think if Pavlik believes his own hype that he is a "one punch knockouter" kind of guy he will be in trouble. But if the old Kelly shows up throwing over 100 punches a round or close to that.It will be a good night for Kelly. I think Martinez is slick and has great skill at 154 but at 160 Kelly is a different animal than Martinez has ever faced.Even if the punches are blocked they physically will move Martinez around the ring. I say TKO in 10 for Kelly. Martinez could win this if he is on his bicycle all night but I think he will have too much pride and try to trade with Kelly at some point and get hurt.

You going to the fight? It's in AC...

You say that even though Martinez fought Paul Williams at 160, a guy who is as long as Pavlik and throws as many punches as Pavlik although without the power. Yet, Williams has better movement than Pavlik and is faster. See the whole 160 thing is correct in a sense in that Martinez is probably more dominant at 154 and that's where he belongs. I favor him in fights with most guys out there at 154. But, that doesn't mean he can't move up in weight and beat guys at 160 because he did it for all intents and purposes against Williams.

[Mo Frazier]

Martinez is gonna put it to Pavlik, just like Paul would've; Pavlik is too one dimensional.

[CFH]

Would you care for a sigi bet?

I don't remember him being hurt, but I remember him being off-balance and getting put down. He hurt Williams a few times and that was Williams at Middleweight.

I have never sig. bet anyone before, though I've often fantasized about beating Lyle and making him sport a Jimmy Carter sig, but I digress. If you really want to we can I guess, though I don't really see the point. I can't stand Kelly Pavlik and I'd love to watch Martinez (who I really like) beat him, but I guess I'm just not as impressed with Martinez as everyone else is. He's a very good fighter, but he has his flaws and I think Pavlik will exploit them and overwhelm him.

Who about we don't make it horrible, but if you lose you just put up the losers face in your sigi. I look forward to seeing you sigi with Pavlik all cut up and puffy eyed.

I'd enjoy that. I'd almost feel bad making you put up one of Martinez though, I really like him as a fighter. We'll have to include some kind of writing to let everyone know the the loser lost a bet to the winner.

I'll take that bet Killer, but you'll probably have to remind me closer to the fight itself as I'm likely to forget.