Why do people think any good NBA/NFL athlete can beat the Klit bros?

[JonesJrMayweather]

Who's to say that just because the klits are only using their hands that they couldnt be great at any other sport? It takes a lot of balance to box, having competed in all three, football, boxing, basketball, plus track and field..I will say that boxing requires more from the body than any of those sports with basketball being a distant last. Might I add just for reference that I can currently run 2 miles in 9:10...so thats 4:35 per mile pace. And in a open mile I've gone as low as 4:02. And it still doesn't demand as much as sparring a hard 6 rounds let alone 12 on the level that pros do it.

So having said that, I don't think that there's a basketball player in the nba that would stand a chance to last more than 2 rounds with either of them. And NFL, I'll give them all a punchers chance, but a very slim one. I mean shaq played basketball his entire life and still didn't manage to match his footwork with his size until late in his career. I mean I've seen Kobe bryant wobbled by a punch from 6'2 190 pound Chris Childs so Vitali knocks his fucking head off easily.

another thing is one has to address the mentality of each athlete as their chosen profession speaks volume to their mindset in regards to the sport itself. The Klits are doctors boxing because they like it. NBA players cry about hand slaps, and being scratched they constantly scream "OUCH ,FOUL"..So while lebron maybe can jump high and dribble I'd doubt he could withstand the the idea of a punch coming from a man his size.

[amat]

I think it's pretty obvious that Wlad is pretty athletic.

I think people are greatly misunderstanding things. P4P isn't arguing that tomorrow Lebron James could dedicate himself to boxing and make it. He's saying that if James had been boxing since childhood instead of playing basketball, you could damn near guarantee he would be pretty good. I subscribe to that theory.

Yes he comes from a different planet, he very well may be the greatest combination of size and athleticism the world has ever seen. That may be a stretch but it may not be. His mental makeup, will and volition to get better would ensure success in boxing.

No way he beats Wlad now or any time in the future, maybe he never does it period, but it's common sense that he would be successful had he taken it up instead of basketball.

[blegit]

I think it's pretty obvious that Wlad is pretty athletic.

I think people are greatly misunderstanding things. P4P isn't arguing that tomorrow Lebron James could dedicate himself to boxing and make it. He's saying that if James had been boxing since childhood instead of playing basketball, you could damn near guarantee he would be pretty good. I subscribe to that theory.

Yes he comes from a different planet, he very well may be the greatest combination of size and athleticism the world has ever seen. That may be a stretch but it may not be. His mental makeup, will and volition to get better would ensure success in boxing.

No way he beats Wlad now or any time in the future, maybe he never does it period, but it's common sense that he would be successful had he taken it up instead of basketball.

And I absolutely agree. This is all I was saying too and somehow people are picking only certain parts and come up with "Lebron boxing a Klitshko." The bottom line is that Lebron is way more athletic than the Klitschkos. How does anybody refute that with a straight face?

[p4pking]

I think it's pretty obvious that Wlad is pretty athletic.

I think people are greatly misunderstanding things. P4P isn't arguing that tomorrow Lebron James could dedicate himself to boxing and make it. He's saying that if James had been boxing since childhood instead of playing basketball, you could damn near guarantee he would be pretty good. I subscribe to that theory.

Yes he comes from a different planet, he very well may be the greatest combination of size and athleticism the world has ever seen. That may be a stretch but it may not be. His mental makeup, will and volition to get better would ensure success in boxing.

No way he beats Wlad now or any time in the future, maybe he never does it period, but it's common sense that he would be successful had he taken it up instead of basketball.

Thank you, that was indeed all I was trying to get across. To address the original post literally is just so completely pointless and self evident I didn't bother. I've never heard anyone say that a given NFL or NBA player could beat any decent fighter if they just chose to take up boxing tomorrow, only that they posses physical tools which are far superior to begin with, and with training could have made much better fighters. This thread is really quite stupid.

[Nameless]

I think it's pretty obvious that Wlad is pretty athletic.

I think people are greatly misunderstanding things. P4P isn't arguing that tomorrow Lebron James could dedicate himself to boxing and make it. He's saying that if James had been boxing since childhood instead of playing basketball, you could damn near guarantee he would be pretty good. I subscribe to that theory.

Yes he comes from a different planet, he very well may be the greatest combination of size and athleticism the world has ever seen. That may be a stretch but it may not be. His mental makeup, will and volition to get better would ensure success in boxing.

No way he beats Wlad now or any time in the future, maybe he never does it period, but it's common sense that he would be successful had he taken it up instead of basketball.

And I absolutely agree. This is all I was saying too and somehow people are picking only certain parts and come up with "Lebron boxing a Klitshko." The bottom line is that Lebron is way more athletic than the Klitschkos. How does anybody refute that with a straight face?

If the K would be basketball champions, at 6.7 and 6.8 with not an oz of fat you would probably say they are the most gifted things on earth.

[blegit]

I think you're obviously referring to my comments against Nameless. Nameless challenged me to name any heavyweight more athletic than the Klitschkos. He said ANY heavyweight. Not necessarily a boxer. So I said this is too easy and I named Lebron James who is 6' 8" 255 pounds along with many other heavyweights. By heavyweight standards the Klitshkos are no where near top of athleticism. They are not athletic. That was my point. Who said anything about Lebron outboxing anyone And its a moot point to ponder if Lebron grew up boxing. He would definitely have the most athleticism that heavyweight boxing has ever seen. You can't measure chin or heart. We'd have to see. But Lebron, Ray Lewis, and many other heavyweights would have the Klitschkos easily outbeat in athleticism. But in boxing we all know there are more factors. We don't know if they have the more unless they grew into the sport. Boxing is a specialist sport and no athlete is going to come in as a 20 something year old and beat a Klitschko. Lets be real and not spin things.

The Klitchkos are more athletic than you think. Vitali was a kickboxing champion. There are different types of athleticism. What makes you think Lebron is more athletic than Wladimir? Cause he can jump higher? ESPN ranked boxing as the toughest sport to compete in, so you are saying an athlete from a lesser sport could have dominated?

Are you really serious about comparing Lebron's athleticism to Wladimir Klitschkos? You know there are tests to athletic abilities. Lebron can run a 4.3 40, has a 40+ vertical, is much quicker, more agile, etc. The list goes on. Lebron was All State in Basketball and Football. The guy could be a phenom in 3 or 4 sports that are nothing alike. What does Wlad do that makes you even argue he is more athletic than Lebron? Give me something. And as far as ESPN ranking boxing as the hardest sport. Well, Ray Mercer said that MMA training was harder than boxing. While I like boxing more, I wrestled and boxed for many years and I know certainly that wrestling is harder and requires more athleticism. I only trained MMA, never competed, but the training is easily tougher.

[p4pking]

I think it's pretty obvious that Wlad is pretty athletic.

I think people are greatly misunderstanding things. P4P isn't arguing that tomorrow Lebron James could dedicate himself to boxing and make it. He's saying that if James had been boxing since childhood instead of playing basketball, you could damn near guarantee he would be pretty good. I subscribe to that theory.

Yes he comes from a different planet, he very well may be the greatest combination of size and athleticism the world has ever seen. That may be a stretch but it may not be. His mental makeup, will and volition to get better would ensure success in boxing.

No way he beats Wlad now or any time in the future, maybe he never does it period, but it's common sense that he would be successful had he taken it up instead of basketball.

And I absolutely agree. This is all I was saying too and somehow people are picking only certain parts and come up with "Lebron boxing a Klitshko." The bottom line is that Lebron is way more athletic than the Klitschkos. How does anybody refute that with a straight face?

If the K would be basketball champions, at 6.7 and 6.8 with not an oz of fat you would probably say they are the most gifted things on earth.

And that is about the most misconstrued IF you could ever come up with. The Klitsshcko's couldn't possibly be GREAT basketball players, their size is completely typical of so many guys in the NBA who are MUCH faster, stronger, with way better reflexes. Of course it's pointless to compare guys who are in different sports for a large part, but there are certain measures of athletecism which aren't entirely specific to one sport. You think the Klitschko's 40 yard dash, bench press, vertical leap, etc. Would come anywhere CLOSE to even a half decent NFL linebacker or power forward in the NBA? Of course not.

[blegit]

Who's to say that just because the klits are only using their hands that they couldnt be great at any other sport? It takes a lot of balance to box, having competed in all three, football, boxing, basketball, plus track and field..I will say that boxing requires more from the body than any of those sports with basketball being a distant last. Might I add just for reference that I can currently run 2 miles in 9:10...so thats 4:35 per mile pace. And in a open mile I've gone as low as 4:02. And it still doesn't demand as much as sparring a hard 6 rounds let alone 12 on the level that pros do it.

So having said that, I don't think that there's a basketball player in the nba that would stand a chance to last more than 2 rounds with either of them. And NFL, I'll give them all a punchers chance, but a very slim one. I mean shaq played basketball his entire life and still didn't manage to match his footwork with his size until late in his career. I mean I've seen Kobe bryant wobbled by a punch from 6'2 190 pound Chris Childs so Vitali knocks his fucking head off easily.

another thing is one has to address the mentality of each athlete as their chosen profession speaks volume to their mindset in regards to the sport itself. The Klits are doctors boxing because they like it. NBA players cry about hand slaps, and being scratched they constantly scream "OUCH ,FOUL"..So while lebron maybe can jump high and dribble I'd doubt he could withstand the the idea of a punch coming from a man his size.

You're a sharp runner. Got to give it to ya. But I think it depends what sports you've been a part of longer. My only statement is that Lebron and many of those heavyweights from other sports are more athletic than the Klitschkos. I'm sure if the Klitschkos didn't grow up boxing and came to the sport in their 20s then they would be just an opponent for even a B level guy. Boxing is a specialist sport. You must be involved early to attain success like the top fighters. I've been in boxing almost 20 years and it is not the hardest sport for me. To each's own.

[blegit]

I think it's pretty obvious that Wlad is pretty athletic.

I think people are greatly misunderstanding things. P4P isn't arguing that tomorrow Lebron James could dedicate himself to boxing and make it. He's saying that if James had been boxing since childhood instead of playing basketball, you could damn near guarantee he would be pretty good. I subscribe to that theory.

Yes he comes from a different planet, he very well may be the greatest combination of size and athleticism the world has ever seen. That may be a stretch but it may not be. His mental makeup, will and volition to get better would ensure success in boxing.

No way he beats Wlad now or any time in the future, maybe he never does it period, but it's common sense that he would be successful had he taken it up instead of basketball.

And I absolutely agree. This is all I was saying too and somehow people are picking only certain parts and come up with "Lebron boxing a Klitshko." The bottom line is that Lebron is way more athletic than the Klitschkos. How does anybody refute that with a straight face?

If the K would be basketball champions, at 6.7 and 6.8 with not an oz of fat you would probably say they are the most gifted things on earth.

Yeah, you can come back with a better one than that. Can't you?

[generalbulldog]

I think it's pretty obvious that Wlad is pretty athletic.

I think people are greatly misunderstanding things. P4P isn't arguing that tomorrow Lebron James could dedicate himself to boxing and make it. He's saying that if James had been boxing since childhood instead of playing basketball, you could damn near guarantee he would be pretty good. I subscribe to that theory.

Yes he comes from a different planet, he very well may be the greatest combination of size and athleticism the world has ever seen. That may be a stretch but it may not be. His mental makeup, will and volition to get better would ensure success in boxing.

No way he beats Wlad now or any time in the future, maybe he never does it period, but it's common sense that he would be successful had he taken it up instead of basketball.

Thank you, that was indeed all I was trying to get across. To address the original post literally is just so completely pointless and self evident I didn't bother. I've never heard anyone say that a given NFL or NBA player could beat any decent fighter if they just chose to take up boxing tomorrow, only that they posses physical tools which are far superior to begin with, and with training could have made much better fighters. This thread is really quite stupid.

Then you didn't read my original post clearly. Here I'll post the little part for you.

Inspired by another recent thread here.

It seems that there are a lot of people out there that thinks that if Shaq or Lebron James or Ray Lewis took up boxing either at a young age or later age that they can beat the Klit bros and be HW champs.

I stated that there are a lot of people think that a lot of NBA/NFL players can beat the Klit brothers at a young age or later age (meaning starting and training at a young age sticking with it or starting at a later advance age.) They seem to be under this assumption that NBA/NFL athletes are so athletically supreme that had they started at an young age in boxing they would dominate it, or coming at a later age and dominating it. I don't agree. Because you just don't know if whether or not they could do that. Boxing requires certain things you need to possess. Like heart, chin, will, bravery, mental toughness, killer instinct, etc. You can have all the physical tools in the world, but if you don't possess these qualities, you're not getting far. A prime example is Joshua Clottey, he never had the will, mental toughness, killer instinct to be elite, when he had all the physical tools to be 1 of the best in the game.

[p4pking]

There's another completely pointless arguement, what the "hardest" sport might be. Any given sport is infinetely difficult, and mastering a physical discipline is completely impossible regardless of how or how often you train. All you can do for arguements sake is compare the playing field and what level of athletes currently take part in a given sport, and anyone who would make an arguement that boxing or MMA currently is anywhere near the top here needs their head checked as far as I'm concerned.

[p4pking]

I think it's pretty obvious that Wlad is pretty athletic.

I think people are greatly misunderstanding things. P4P isn't arguing that tomorrow Lebron James could dedicate himself to boxing and make it. He's saying that if James had been boxing since childhood instead of playing basketball, you could damn near guarantee he would be pretty good. I subscribe to that theory.

Yes he comes from a different planet, he very well may be the greatest combination of size and athleticism the world has ever seen. That may be a stretch but it may not be. His mental makeup, will and volition to get better would ensure success in boxing.

No way he beats Wlad now or any time in the future, maybe he never does it period, but it's common sense that he would be successful had he taken it up instead of basketball.

Thank you, that was indeed all I was trying to get across. To address the original post literally is just so completely pointless and self evident I didn't bother. I've never heard anyone say that a given NFL or NBA player could beat any decent fighter if they just chose to take up boxing tomorrow, only that they posses physical tools which are far superior to begin with, and with training could have made much better fighters. This thread is really quite stupid.

Then you didn't read my original post clearly. Here I'll post the little part for you.

Inspired by another recent thread here.

It seems that there are a lot of people out there that thinks that if Shaq or Lebron James or Ray Lewis took up boxing either at a young age or later age that they can beat the Klit bros and be HW champs.

I stated that there are a lot of people think that a lot of NBA/NFL players can beat the Klit brothers at a young age or later age (meaning starting and training at a young age sticking with it or starting at a later advance age.) They seem to be under this assumption that NBA/NFL athletes are so athletically supreme that had they started at an young age in boxing they would dominate it, or coming at a later age and dominating it. I don't agree. Because you just don't know if whether or not they could do that. Boxing requires certain things you need to possess. Like heart, chin, will, bravery, mental toughness, killer instinct, etc. You can have all the physical tools in the world, but if you don't possess these qualities, you're not getting far. A prime example is Joshua Clottey, he never had the will, mental toughness, killer instinct to be elite, when he had all the physical tools.

I did read your initial post and adressed pretty well every aspect of it. I acknowledged that you can never know for certain whether a given athlete COULD have been a great boxer due to intangibles, and so on. I am of the opinion that this whole thread is a joke, that is all.

[blegit]

I think it's pretty obvious that Wlad is pretty athletic.

I think people are greatly misunderstanding things. P4P isn't arguing that tomorrow Lebron James could dedicate himself to boxing and make it. He's saying that if James had been boxing since childhood instead of playing basketball, you could damn near guarantee he would be pretty good. I subscribe to that theory.

Yes he comes from a different planet, he very well may be the greatest combination of size and athleticism the world has ever seen. That may be a stretch but it may not be. His mental makeup, will and volition to get better would ensure success in boxing.

No way he beats Wlad now or any time in the future, maybe he never does it period, but it's common sense that he would be successful had he taken it up instead of basketball.

Thank you, that was indeed all I was trying to get across. To address the original post literally is just so completely pointless and self evident I didn't bother. I've never heard anyone say that a given NFL or NBA player could beat any decent fighter if they just chose to take up boxing tomorrow, only that they posses physical tools which are far superior to begin with, and with training could have made much better fighters. This thread is really quite stupid.

Then you didn't read my original post clearly. Here I'll post the little part for you.

Inspired by another recent thread here.

It seems that there are a lot of people out there that thinks that if Shaq or Lebron James or Ray Lewis took up boxing either at a young age or later age that they can beat the Klit bros and be HW champs.

I stated that there are a lot of people think that a lot of NBA/NFL players can beat the Klit brothers at a young age or later age (meaning starting and training at a young age sticking with it or starting at a later advance age.) They seem to be under this assumption that NBA/NFL athletes are so athletically supreme that had they started at an young age in boxing they would dominate it, or coming at a later age and dominating it. I don't agree. Because you just don't know if whether or not they could do that. Boxing requires certain things you need to possess. Like heart, chin, will, bravery, mental toughness, killer instinct, etc. You can have all the physical tools in the world, but if you don't possess these qualities, you're not getting far. A prime example is Joshua Clottey, he never had the will, mental toughness, killer instinct to be elite, when he had all the physical tools to be 1 of the best in the game.

Yes, but I wasn't one of them who said Lebron or any other guy could beat the Klitschkos. I said they are more athletic. And as common sense would tell you of course they would have a better starting point. But that doesn't determine the ending point. We can't prove what would've happened if Lebron, Ray Lewis, or Shaq(who is not very athletic) grew up boxing. But Lebron and someone like Calvin Johnson have dream heavyweight athleticism. Its an interesting argument but I stick to just not speculating what can't be redone.

[p4pking]

Apparently Rasheed Wallace was wiping the floor with Lennox Lewis all day at Kronk in sparring when he played for detroit, somebody I know was there.

[p4pking]

Kobe Bryant has a way better chin than Wlad to, he's never been knocked out.