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    Default Re: Fights where the result would have been different if the loser was in their prime

    Quote Originally Posted by skel1983 View Post
    RJJ V Calzaghe
    Hopkins v Calzaghe
    A prime Hopkins would have probably beaten THAT Calzaghe. But prime vs prime its Calzaghe all day for me.
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    Default Re: Fights where the result would have been different if the loser was in their prime

    Quote Originally Posted by ryanman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by skel1983 View Post
    RJJ V Calzaghe
    Hopkins v Calzaghe
    A prime Hopkins would have probably beaten THAT Calzaghe. But prime vs prime its Calzaghe all day for me.
    Very tough call, but I'd lean towards Hopkins, however as I've said before, I think Hopkins was nearer his prime that JC was at that time (strange to say I know) Hopkins best wins have all come past 40, his best performances were Tarver and Pavlik (which sandwiched the JC fight) JC's best nights were v Lacy and Kessler, cracks started to appear after that and I think he was 1 fight away from getting Koed
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    Default Re: Fights where the result would have been different if the loser was in their prime

    Quote Originally Posted by BIG H View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by skel1983 View Post
    RJJ V Calzaghe
    Hopkins v Calzaghe
    A prime Hopkins would have probably beaten THAT Calzaghe. But prime vs prime its Calzaghe all day for me.
    Very tough call, but I'd lean towards Hopkins, however as I've said before, I think Hopkins was nearer his prime that JC was at that time (strange to say I know) Hopkins best wins have all come past 40, his best performances were Tarver and Pavlik (which sandwiched the JC fight) JC's best nights were v Lacy and Kessler, cracks started to appear after that and I think he was 1 fight away from getting Koed
    I actually think you could make a strong case for that.
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    Default Re: Fights where the result would have been different if the loser was in their prime

    I think this will be a constant echo...every loss on RJJ record, except the DQ.

    I disagree about tyson..

    Holmes v Tyson would have been a victory for prime Holmes
    sweet pea v oscar
    mosley v cotto

    all of george foreman's losses except the ali one
    all of Ali's losses except the first Frazier fight

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    Default Re: Fights where the result would have been different if the loser was in their prime

    Quote Originally Posted by hattonthehammer View Post
    A prime hopkins still gets whooped by calzaghe

    As already been said anything with RJJ and tyson
    an Old Hopkins didn't get whooped my Calzaghe, much less a prime B-Hop, don't know what fight you watched if you seriously think Calzaghe beat Hopkins, his best offense was the low blow (and yes Hopkins was over dramatic) then followed it up with a bum rush, Calzaghe is the next one to follow Ricky Martin's steps

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    Default Re: Fights where the result would have been different if the loser was in their prime

    Leonard vs Camacho
    Foreman vs Morrison
    Duran vs Pazienza
    Michalczewski vs Gonzalez

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    Default Re: Fights where the result would have been different if the loser was in their prime

    I'm going to be a bit controversial here:

    Mayweather - De La Hoya

    I'm not sure if I actually believe ODH would have won, but it would have been a lot more competitive. A SD might even have been a legitimate decision in this fight.

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    Default Re: Fights where the result would have been different if the loser was in their prime

    Marco Antonio Barrera destroys Con
    Kostya Tszyu-Ricky Hatton
    Vince Phillips-Ricky Hatton
    Erik Morales-David Diaz (he won but he destroys him in his prime)
    Oscar De La Hoya-Manny Pacneedle

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    Default Re: Fights where the result would have been different if the loser was in their prime

    Quote Originally Posted by ryanman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by skel1983 View Post
    RJJ V Calzaghe
    Hopkins v Calzaghe
    A prime Hopkins would have probably beaten THAT Calzaghe. But prime vs prime its Calzaghe all day for me.
    A prime Bernard Hopkins had hurtful power, and had very good workrate. He was great in his prime as a boxer/puncher, watch his fight vs Glen Johnson. No way Joe Calzaghe beats that version of Bernard Hopkins IMO.

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    Default Re: Fights where the result would have been different if the loser was in their prime

    Quote Originally Posted by ICB View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ryanman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by skel1983 View Post
    RJJ V Calzaghe
    Hopkins v Calzaghe
    A prime Hopkins would have probably beaten THAT Calzaghe. But prime vs prime its Calzaghe all day for me.
    A prime Bernard Hopkins had hurtful power, and had very good workrate. He was great in his prime as a boxer/puncher, watch his fight vs Glen Johnson. No way Joe Calzaghe beats that version of Bernard Hopkins IMO.
    I see what you're saying Ice. The thing with Calzaghe I think is his physical peak didn't coincide with his 'mental' peak. In terms of mental attributes - strategy, adaptability, response to pressure etc I would say he peaked with Lacy and Kessler. But I would say his physical peak probably came in about 2001-2002 (prior to his more serious hand troubles). If he had kept his original power and combined it with the experience and ring smarts he gained later I can't see any version of B-Hop beating him. I accept its all just conjuncture though.
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