Has a fighter ever lost the 'formality' rematch or career defining win?

[ICB]

What I mean here is when a fighter takes his legacy fight, either a rematch against a shock loss, or a fight against a legend when the legend is supposed to be past his prime and the outcome a formality, has there ever been a case where the favoured fighter has lost and if so who.

Examples I can think of formality wins are Lennox Lewis avenging his shock losses to Rahman and McCall, and winning his career defining fight over Mike Tyson, an important fight for his resume, but one that was expected at the time to be a routine job.

Other examples are Wlad's return win over Lamon Brewster, Calzaghe's win over Roy Jones Jr etc.

Going back in history you could mention Ray Robinson against Randy Turpin for example.

So are there any examples in fight history where the guy who shocked the world by upsetting a superstar in the first fight against all odds did it again in the rematch, or a case where the ageing, finished great spoilt the coming of age party for the new lion by beating him when not expected to?

Anyone got any famous examples?

Well for your first question, i think Junior Jones beating MAB was a big upset. And he proved it was no fluke beating him again over 12 rounds.

As for your 2nd question well Larry Holmes was 42 years old, and Ray Mercer was supposed to be an upcoming star. And Larry Holmes gave Ray Mercer a boxing lesson.

And im pretty sure he was the favorite from what i remember, the commentator saying. I'd have to pull out my Larry Holmes career set to make certain, but im pretty im right.

[Kev]

What I mean here is when a fighter takes his legacy fight, either a rematch against a shock loss, or a fight against a legend when the legend is supposed to be past his prime and the outcome a formality, has there ever been a case where the favoured fighter has lost and if so who.

Examples I can think of formality wins are Lennox Lewis avenging his shock losses to Rahman and McCall, and winning his career defining fight over Mike Tyson, an important fight for his resume, but one that was expected at the time to be a routine job.

Other examples are Wlad's return win over Lamon Brewster, Calzaghe's win over Roy Jones Jr etc.

Going back in history you could mention Ray Robinson against Randy Turpin for example.

So are there any examples in fight history where the guy who shocked the world by upsetting a superstar in the first fight against all odds did it again in the rematch, or a case where the ageing, finished great spoilt the coming of age party for the new lion by beating him when not expected to?

Anyone got any famous examples?

Well for your first question, i think Junior Jones beating MAB was a big upset. And he proved it was no fluke beating him again over 12 rounds.

As for your 2nd question well Larry Holmes was 42 years old, and Ray Mercer was supposed to be an upcoming star. And Larry Holmes gave Ray Mercer a boxing lesson.

And im pretty sure he was the favorite from what i remember, the commentator saying. I'd have to pull out my Larry Holmes career set to make certain, but im pretty im right.

Good call on Junior Jones Ice that definitely fits my criteria. I guess Foreman Moorer could count by I don't think Moorer was ever considered a superstar, which is what I meant really, a kind of coming out party for the star elect that goes wrong, Foreman, like Holyfield in his later years has always been the star in his fights, people watching to see him win, even if not favoured to do so.

Holmes against Mercer I can't remember back that far to the general feeling of those times but it could be another example if Mercer was predicted to be the next big thing.

[ICB]

What I mean here is when a fighter takes his legacy fight, either a rematch against a shock loss, or a fight against a legend when the legend is supposed to be past his prime and the outcome a formality, has there ever been a case where the favoured fighter has lost and if so who.

Examples I can think of formality wins are Lennox Lewis avenging his shock losses to Rahman and McCall, and winning his career defining fight over Mike Tyson, an important fight for his resume, but one that was expected at the time to be a routine job.

Other examples are Wlad's return win over Lamon Brewster, Calzaghe's win over Roy Jones Jr etc.

Going back in history you could mention Ray Robinson against Randy Turpin for example.

So are there any examples in fight history where the guy who shocked the world by upsetting a superstar in the first fight against all odds did it again in the rematch, or a case where the ageing, finished great spoilt the coming of age party for the new lion by beating him when not expected to?

Anyone got any famous examples?

Well for your first question, i think Junior Jones beating MAB was a big upset. And he proved it was no fluke beating him again over 12 rounds.

As for your 2nd question well Larry Holmes was 42 years old, and Ray Mercer was supposed to be an upcoming star. And Larry Holmes gave Ray Mercer a boxing lesson.

And im pretty sure he was the favorite from what i remember, the commentator saying. I'd have to pull out my Larry Holmes career set to make certain, but im pretty im right.

Good call on Junior Jones Ice that definitely fits my criteria. I guess Foreman Moorer could count by I don't think Moorer was ever considered a superstar, which is what I meant really, a kind of coming out party for the star elect that goes wrong, Foreman, like Holyfield in his later years has always been the star in his fights, people watching to see him win, even if not favoured to do so.

Holmes against Mercer I can't remember back that far to the general feeling of those times but it could be another example if Mercer was predicted to be the next big thing.

Well this is really going back Bilbo, and im not even sure if Floyd Patterson was the favorite. But Floyd Patterson was an upcoming star being the Olympic champion and all, then he fought the veteran Joey Maxim and lost on points. I suppose that could qualify if Floyd Patterson was the favorite.

[Snakey]

Forest was supposed to beat mayorga and got smashed and then lost the rematch.

[Kev]

Well for your first question, i think Junior Jones beating MAB was a big upset. And he proved it was no fluke beating him again over 12 rounds.

As for your 2nd question well Larry Holmes was 42 years old, and Ray Mercer was supposed to be an upcoming star. And Larry Holmes gave Ray Mercer a boxing lesson.

And im pretty sure he was the favorite from what i remember, the commentator saying. I'd have to pull out my Larry Holmes career set to make certain, but im pretty im right.

Good call on Junior Jones Ice that definitely fits my criteria. I guess Foreman Moorer could count by I don't think Moorer was ever considered a superstar, which is what I meant really, a kind of coming out party for the star elect that goes wrong, Foreman, like Holyfield in his later years has always been the star in his fights, people watching to see him win, even if not favoured to do so.

Holmes against Mercer I can't remember back that far to the general feeling of those times but it could be another example if Mercer was predicted to be the next big thing.

Well this is really going back Bilbo, and im not even sure if Floyd Patterson was the favorite. But Floyd Patterson was an upcoming star being the Olympic champion and all, then he fought the veteran Joey Maxim and lost on points. I suppose that could qualify if Floyd Patterson was the favorite.

Only if he lost to him twice. There have been many upsets in boxing but I'm talking about back to back upsets, Junior Jones defintely qualifies, as does Mayorga against Forrest (good call Snakey).

You know the kind of fight, a fighter loses to a guy in a big upset, then maybe meet either immediately or down the line when the guy has proven himself even further and the guy he shockingly lost to is believed to no threat, and routine revenge win is expected, only it doesn't happen.

If Jones had beaten B Hop tonight that would have been the kind of example I meant really, when all the momentum is in favour of one fighter, to get his legacy defining win over a legend, well past his best

[amat]

Rahman losing to Maskaev twice definitely qualifies imo, I know he was favored in both too.

[hitmanhatton]

Pavlik vs Hopkins ?

[JazMerkin]

Mosley's defeat to Vernon Forrest. Shane looked unbeatable prior to this.

If you're talking about formality fights where someone played spoiler, then Jimmy Young, Carlos Baldomir & Zahir Raheem have all done this to George Foreman, Zab Judah & Erik Morales respectively.