Disappointed in Hayes performance!

[El Kabong]

Rahman MAYBE.....Holyfield?!?! Evander was NEVER a "power puncher" neither was Andrew Golota. Kirk Johnson was OK but looking at the actual fight you can see why I kind of discount him. James Toney was never a proven power puncher at heavyweight.

David Tua was the only guy (maybe Rahman) that Ruiz has fought that you can say "He's a power puncher".

[ICB]

Rahman MAYBE.....Holyfield?!?! Evander was NEVER a "power puncher" neither was Andrew Golota. Kirk Johnson was OK but looking at the actual fight you can see why I kind of discount him. James Toney was never a proven power puncher at heavyweight.

David Tua was the only guy (maybe Rahman) that Ruiz has fought that you can say "He's a power puncher".

Well i wouldn't say Evander Holyfield is a power puncher, but he has a fair dig. He was the first guy to knockdown iron chinned Ray Mercer, he floored Riddick Bowe and had him KO'ed but had no energy, he stopped Mike Tyson, stopped Buster Douglas, ETC.

As for Andrew Golota again i agree not a real power puncher, but he still hits hard enough. Everytime i've seen Andrew Golota, he seems quite powerful to me, especially with his straight right hand, which butchered Riddick Bowe in there two fights, and made Riddick Bowe a brain damaged totally destroyed fighter.

[Fenster]

The reason Haye doesn't go overboard when he hurts someone is Carl Thompson.

He learnt from punching himself out.

It's a positive he now fights like this not a flaw.

[ICB]

The reason Haye doesn't go overboard when he hurts someone is Carl Thompson.

He learnt from punching himself out.

It's a positive he now fights like this not a flaw.

I still don't know how Carl Thompson, survived that onslaught from David Haye. I know Carl Thompson had experience in up and down wars. But still that was a hell of a beating, and that was a great performance from Carl Thompson.

But it was a good learning experience from David Haye, and it made him a better fighter. And even if he would of beat Carl Thompson, he would of lost to Giacobbe Fragomeni.

[Saddo]

i was supprised on how much Haye got tagged last night and to be honest i remember thinking if that was any of the klits connecting it would be lights out for haye.

maybe i'm just not giving an old Ruiz much credit.

one thing i know is.... if Haye had have finished him in the first that would have sent out a very impressive message and i think that is the frustration mattboxingfan is getting at.

[CFH]

i was supprised on how much Haye got tagged last night and to be honest i remember thinking if that was any of the klits connecting it would be lights out for haye.

maybe i'm just not giving an old Ruiz much credit.

one thing i know is.... if Haye had have finished him in the first that would have sent out a very impressive message and i think that is the frustration mattboxingfan is getting at.

I agree. I'm watching the fight right now (just finished the fourth round) and while Haye has looked extremely impressive offensively (though I wish he'd use his jab a bit more because it was very effective), he's gotten hit by a couple of shots, mostly straight right hands, that could have him in trouble against the Klitschko's. In particular, he got tagged and staggered by a straight right in the first round that could have been devestating from a puncher like Wlad, though he wasn't obviously hurt by the punch. He also looked gassed at the end of the fourth.

Aside from that though, he has looked very good. His speed is impressive and his power seems to be legitimate at HW and overall it was a very good performance.

I like brackets.

[El Kabong]

Evander Holyfield put Mercer down with a body shot, Bowe didn't fight the big boppers either, and well Douglas had been stopped before and just was in no shape to fight when he fought Evander. I give him credit for rocking Tyson though. Holyfield also used his head pretty good too, so let's not forget that.

Fenster...so he paces himself a bit? Well well well, I thought that was just a Klitschko thing.

[rjj tszyu]

Evander Holyfield put Mercer down with a body shot, Bowe didn't fight the big boppers either, and well Douglas had been stopped before and just was in no shape to fight when he fought Evander. I give him credit for rocking Tyson though. Holyfield also used his head pretty good too, so let's not forget that.

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I think Evander was a very good accumulative puncher rather than a big one punch guy, but his power was more than respectable.

[El Kabong]

I think Evander was a very good accumulative puncher rather than a big one punch guy, but his power was more than respectable.

....in the 1990's perhaps but not in the 2000's. The last time Evander KO'd anyone of note was Michael Moorer in the rematch in 1997.

[rjj tszyu]

I think Evander was a very good accumulative puncher rather than a big one punch guy, but his power was more than respectable.

....in the 1990's perhaps but not in the 2000's. The last time Evander KO'd anyone of note was Michael Moorer in the rematch in 1997.

Your probably right here actually but I think that is more to do with his torn rotator than he just lost his power. The lump on Rahmans head could be argued to be a result of power! Or maybe just good head movement

[Fenster]

Fenster...so he paces himself a bit? Well well well, I thought that was just a Klitschko thing.

He is not thick.

I understand why you're pissed Lyle. Haye made a Ruiz fight entertaining. That's pretty bloody amazing. Everyone ENJOYED it.

We both know it's an almost guarantee that Wlad-Ruiz would have won BORE of the year. The fight would have consisted of Wlad sticking his lance in Ruiz face on the way to a one-sided snoozy UD.

[Master]

I think it was a good seasoned performance by Haye and Ruiz tried his best but Haye did not tire and was not chinny which Ruiz may have secretly hoped. Ruiz has not been at his best since that good run when he won the title against Holyfield and should retire.

[Pugilistic]

Haye put on a good exciting performance.

Ruiz really surprised me though. He came forward most of the fightand you could see he really wanted to win, he was more competitive than i thought he would be. He didn't even have that much trouble hitting Haye.

Haye showed us his power as usual, and he boxed well for the most part, he probably could of taken Ruiz out sooner if he stepped on the gas a little bit sooner.

From what i seen though, I still see Haye having nothing but a punchers chance against Wlad and that still isn't a big chance considering Wlad isn't exactly easy to hit. If Ruiz didn't have much trouble hitting him then Wlad won't at all.

Haye has 0 chance against Vitali as well. Vitali can throw 100 punches a round, is durable and can bang. All that equals no chance for Haye.

[El Kabong]

What will happen when Wlad lands a flush right cross or solid left hook?

[mattboxingfan]

What will happen when Wlad lands a flush right cross or solid left hook?

Haye will comeback with a KO right hand and a nice left hook for the way down!