David Haye another Amir Con? Manufactured "champ?"

[ICB]

David Haye in my opinion is another Amir Khan or should I say Con?

Just like Con boy he picks up an alphabet strap by fighting the worst champion in the division in Con boy's case it was Kotelnik, in Haye's case Valuev. Valuev retained his belt via controversial decision against Holyfield and Kotelnik via controversial decision against Maidana. Just like Con boy he is also the holder of the WBA belt. Arguably the worst major organization out there with super champions and interim champions. And he also defended his strap against a weak mandatory, in Con boy's case Salita and Haye's case Ruiz (now all of a sudden people are acting like Ruiz was elite.)

Haye and Con boy also ducked the real champ of the division and the elite contenders. Con boy ducks Maidana, an somewhat elite contender with dangerous power, and Tim Bradley considered by many to be the man of the 140 pounders. Haye ducks an elite contender in Vitali (with the WBC strap) and punked out against the champ/man of the HW division, Wladimir.

Haye just like con boy gets hyped up, so called savior of the HW division and will supposedly beat the Klit Bros easily.

Both Con boy and Haye are what boxing fans like me would like to called manufactured "champs." And please stop calling Haye the HW champ, he's not, that's like calling Con boy 140 pound champ, he's not. Last I checked Wladimir is still the man at HW and Bradley is the man at 140.

What I just typed out is the truth. Ain't no exaggerating anything.

Well actually its an opinion, but i respect you for your opinion. But i would just like to point out a few things, David Haye has took on some dangerous opponents at Cruiserweight like Jean Marc Mormeck, Giacobbe Fragomeni.

David Haye only took 3 fights to win a world title at Heavyweight, i think thats impressive considering he has to grow into the division. Being a former Cruiserweight, it takes awhile for your body to adjust moving up, so much in weight like David Haye did.

David Haye had to take the John Ruiz, that isn't his fault so you can't blame him for that.

I think its too early to start hating on David Haye, he hasn't been a Heavyweight long enough yet. lets see what he does in the next 12 months first.

Lastly David Haye is exciting and he is a character. Which the Heavyweight division hasn't got, clearly at the moment. I think people who root for him, are hoping he can put some life back in the division.

[Mo Frazier]

Well actually its an opinion, but i respect you for your opinion. But i would just like to point out a few things, David Haye has took on some dangerous opponents at Cruiserweight like Jean Marc Mormeck, Giacobbe Fragomeni.

David Haye only took 3 fights to win a world title at Heavyweight, i think thats impressive considering he has to grow into the division. Being a former Cruiserweight, it takes awhile for your body to adjust moving up, so much in weight like David Haye did.

David Haye had to take the John Ruiz, that isn't his fault so you can't blame him for that.

I think its too early to start hating on David Haye, he hasn't been a Heavyweight long enough yet. lets see what he does in the next 12 months first.

Lastly David Haye is exciting and he is a character. Which the Heavyweight division hasn't got, clearly at the moment. I think people who root for him, are hoping he can put some life back in the division.

This accurately portrays my thoughts on the matter. ^

[Master]

Haye is a legitimate fighter and proved he was the best at Cruiser-weight. He may not beat the Klit brothers but he has beat the other rivals and at least making it interesting for the time being. He is not a manufactured fighter, in fact he is getting better and more experienced. I would have a couple more defenses and then take the Klits.

[El Kabong]

I think there are dangerous fights for him in this division outside of the Klitschko brothers. But given the performances vs Valuev and Ruiz I am in no way worried about a fight vs Wladimir. For someone thought of as "quick and powerful" he throws long wide punches one at a time and that is just a style begging to be exploited by a solid jab and good defense.

[rjj tszyu]

I think there are dangerous fights for him in this division outside of the Klitschko brothers. But given the performances vs Valuev and Ruiz I am in no way worried about a fight vs Wladimir. For someone thought of as "quick and powerful" he throws long wide punches one at a time and that is just a style begging to be exploited by a solid jab and good defense.

Well Lyle remember the last man Wlad fought with GENUINE power and hand speed?? It was Corey Sanders (the same man who couldn't stop British CW Johnny Nelson) and what happened there?? Wlad got the shite knocked out of him. Now to me Wlad is the one begging to be exploited by Hayes strengths. And if you think Haye will fight either Klitschko in the manner of any of his other HW fights then your totally delusional. We all know boxing is a game of tactics and skill and at the moment Haye is quickly developing in both skill and ability to follow a tactical game.

[paddy448]

manufactured champ.WTF ur gonna have to explain this term to me bulldog.ur normally a decent poster.u say like he haye was just givin the titles. u still have to go thru he'll in training and get in and win the belt. David haye has done this , and been nothing other than impressive on route to the heavy weight title. I just see this thread as pure hate. It really is silly

[Fenster]

@Fenster
Pac may be the last man at 140 and we all know he's not fighting there again, but it is generally recognized that Bradley is the defacto "man" at 140 right now, the guy to beat. Surely you're not suggesting that Con boy is more legitimate than Bradley at 140?

And Haye at the HW division just like Khan at 140 is a manufactured champ. People should Stop bringing up his cruiserweight reign, it means didley squat at HW. By that logic we might as well used Pac's reign at 130 to say that he's accomplished a lot at Welterweight.

Mark my words, Haye will be fighting a Eddie Chambers, Adamek, guys that are iffy at HW. He's going to avoid the Klits for the next 2 years and hopes that they either lose, become shot, or in serious decline to take them on. He for sure ain't taking on a Arreola either or even a Povetkin.

BTW, it's kind of funny that many on this board has been calling either Pac or Mayweather as cherry picking fighters that don't take real challenges, but for Haye everything's a-okay with the Klitschko debacle and his little foray into the HW division fighting guys like Barret, Ruiz, etc.

Bradley currently rates above Khan at 140 because he's spent his entire career in the division and been "world" champ for two years. Khan has had two fights there. Bradley is not THE man though. He is an alphabet holder like Khan. You can't just pick and choose who the legit champ is when it comes to alphabets. They are all phoney "world" champions.

As for Haye - I agree nobody should class him as the heavyweight champion of the world. He is an alphabet holder like Bradley and Khan.

Manufactured champion equals everyone bar a handful of fighters

[Hornfinger]

I don't know why people say that haye doesn't want to be in the ring with either klitscho, IMO it's a very daft thing to say. He challanged Wlad face to face, he would have already faced wlad if it hadn't been for a a back injury and now he's trying to get a fight on at wembley stadium. If you didn't want to fight someone why would you open negotiations with them to fight in the biggest football stadium in england?

Did amir khan move up a weight class and then fight the best in the division? No. Does he look like he's going to fight the best in the division anytime soon? no.

Haye moved up and imediately challenged the klits and when that did come off he then fought another champ that was 7 stone heavier than him, and then his first defence was against the number one contender for that title.

Haye and Khan are worlds apart. That much is obvious.

[telboy66]

I Really Don't Get This Manufactured Crap Very Boxer Has To Learn His Trade & David Has & Is Doing This Better Than Most Self Promotion Is Not A Sin It Is All Part Of The Same Plan To Maximise Earning Power.
He Has Not Ducked Anyone He Has Stormed The Heavyweight Division After Cleaning Up The Crusiers Just What More Does The Guy Have To Do To Stop Your Whinging BULLDOG

[Scrap]

I remember Taking Adam Booth on the pads many years ago as a 17 year old. Thinking He,s a Bright lad, with a nice disposition, pleased for the pair of them.

[El Kabong]

Well Lyle remember the last man Wlad fought with GENUINE power and hand speed?? It was Corey Sanders (the same man who couldn't stop British CW Johnny Nelson) and what happened there?? Wlad got the shite knocked out of him. Now to me Wlad is the one begging to be exploited by Hayes strengths. And if you think Haye will fight either Klitschko in the manner of any of his other HW fights then your totally delusional. We all know boxing is a game of tactics and skill and at the moment Haye is quickly developing in both skill and ability to follow a tactical game.

That was a different Wlad of a different time....

That Wlad gave up height and reach, that Wlad leaned in and was vulnerable to various punches AND Sanders was a southpaw.

Today's Wladimir fights tall, he utilizes his reach, he doesn't allow fighting on the inside, he doesn't allow the other fighter to mix it up and is economical with his punches.

The reckless version of Wlad is looooong gone, now he's just a dominant heavyweight champion.

I forsee a fight that has Wlad's opponent waiting for an opening that never comes and eating punches until he can no longer continue

[rjj tszyu]

Well Lyle remember the last man Wlad fought with GENUINE power and hand speed?? It was Corey Sanders (the same man who couldn't stop British CW Johnny Nelson) and what happened there?? Wlad got the shite knocked out of him. Now to me Wlad is the one begging to be exploited by Hayes strengths. And if you think Haye will fight either Klitschko in the manner of any of his other HW fights then your totally delusional. We all know boxing is a game of tactics and skill and at the moment Haye is quickly developing in both skill and ability to follow a tactical game.

That was a different Wlad of a different time....

That Wlad gave up height and reach, that Wlad leaned in and was vulnerable to various punches AND Sanders was a southpaw.

Today's Wladimir fights tall, he utilizes his reach, he doesn't allow fighting on the inside, he doesn't allow the other fighter to mix it up and is economical with his punches.

The reckless version of Wlad is looooong gone, now he's just a dominant heavyweight champion.

I forsee a fight that has Wlad's opponent waiting for an opening that never comes and eating punches until he can no longer continue

Well to me it was the big shot Wlad took with about 1 min and 2 secs remaining in the 1st round that started the rot and in that shot he was just caught by the speed of Sanders and was upright at that point certainly not leaning in. Wlad has always been something of a cautious fighter. He has never been one to get in a brawl from what I have seen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YboPBVOHn9Q

[Fenster]

Bradley and Wlad are manufactured champs too.

Pac was the last MAN at 140. To get a NEW man the one and two have to fight. That's not happened. Therefore Bradley is just a toilet belt holder like Khan.

Wlad became THE man beating a replacement in Chagaev. The only reason Chagaev was worthy for a THE MAN fight is Wlad can't fight Vitali. Is there anyone on earth that rates Chagaev above Vitali? I don't think so. Wlad is about as phony a THE MAN champ as there has ever been