David Haye another Amir Con? Manufactured "champ?"

[El Kabong]

I think there are dangerous fights for him in this division outside of the Klitschko brothers. But given the performances vs Valuev and Ruiz I am in no way worried about a fight vs Wladimir. For someone thought of as "quick and powerful" he throws long wide punches one at a time and that is just a style begging to be exploited by a solid jab and good defense.

[rjj tszyu]

I think there are dangerous fights for him in this division outside of the Klitschko brothers. But given the performances vs Valuev and Ruiz I am in no way worried about a fight vs Wladimir. For someone thought of as "quick and powerful" he throws long wide punches one at a time and that is just a style begging to be exploited by a solid jab and good defense.

Well Lyle remember the last man Wlad fought with GENUINE power and hand speed?? It was Corey Sanders (the same man who couldn't stop British CW Johnny Nelson) and what happened there?? Wlad got the shite knocked out of him. Now to me Wlad is the one begging to be exploited by Hayes strengths. And if you think Haye will fight either Klitschko in the manner of any of his other HW fights then your totally delusional. We all know boxing is a game of tactics and skill and at the moment Haye is quickly developing in both skill and ability to follow a tactical game.

[paddy448]

manufactured champ.WTF ur gonna have to explain this term to me bulldog.ur normally a decent poster.u say like he haye was just givin the titles. u still have to go thru he'll in training and get in and win the belt. David haye has done this , and been nothing other than impressive on route to the heavy weight title. I just see this thread as pure hate. It really is silly

[Fenster]

@Fenster
Pac may be the last man at 140 and we all know he's not fighting there again, but it is generally recognized that Bradley is the defacto "man" at 140 right now, the guy to beat. Surely you're not suggesting that Con boy is more legitimate than Bradley at 140?

And Haye at the HW division just like Khan at 140 is a manufactured champ. People should Stop bringing up his cruiserweight reign, it means didley squat at HW. By that logic we might as well used Pac's reign at 130 to say that he's accomplished a lot at Welterweight.

Mark my words, Haye will be fighting a Eddie Chambers, Adamek, guys that are iffy at HW. He's going to avoid the Klits for the next 2 years and hopes that they either lose, become shot, or in serious decline to take them on. He for sure ain't taking on a Arreola either or even a Povetkin.

BTW, it's kind of funny that many on this board has been calling either Pac or Mayweather as cherry picking fighters that don't take real challenges, but for Haye everything's a-okay with the Klitschko debacle and his little foray into the HW division fighting guys like Barret, Ruiz, etc.

Bradley currently rates above Khan at 140 because he's spent his entire career in the division and been "world" champ for two years. Khan has had two fights there. Bradley is not THE man though. He is an alphabet holder like Khan. You can't just pick and choose who the legit champ is when it comes to alphabets. They are all phoney "world" champions.

As for Haye - I agree nobody should class him as the heavyweight champion of the world. He is an alphabet holder like Bradley and Khan.

Manufactured champion equals everyone bar a handful of fighters

[Hornfinger]

I don't know why people say that haye doesn't want to be in the ring with either klitscho, IMO it's a very daft thing to say. He challanged Wlad face to face, he would have already faced wlad if it hadn't been for a a back injury and now he's trying to get a fight on at wembley stadium. If you didn't want to fight someone why would you open negotiations with them to fight in the biggest football stadium in england?

Did amir khan move up a weight class and then fight the best in the division? No. Does he look like he's going to fight the best in the division anytime soon? no.

Haye moved up and imediately challenged the klits and when that did come off he then fought another champ that was 7 stone heavier than him, and then his first defence was against the number one contender for that title.

Haye and Khan are worlds apart. That much is obvious.

[telboy66]

I Really Don't Get This Manufactured Crap Very Boxer Has To Learn His Trade & David Has & Is Doing This Better Than Most Self Promotion Is Not A Sin It Is All Part Of The Same Plan To Maximise Earning Power.
He Has Not Ducked Anyone He Has Stormed The Heavyweight Division After Cleaning Up The Crusiers Just What More Does The Guy Have To Do To Stop Your Whinging BULLDOG

[Hornfinger]

I Really Don't Get This Manufactured Crap Very Boxer Has To Learn His Trade & David Has & Is Doing This Better Than Most Self Promotion Is Not A Sin It Is All Part Of The Same Plan To Maximise Earning Power.
He Has Not Ducked Anyone He Has Stormed The Heavyweight Division After Cleaning Up The Crusiers Just What More Does The Guy Have To Do To Stop Your Whinging BULLDOG

Become a yank probably.

[Scrap]

Haye has done better than I thought He would. Now I wouldnt Bet against Him.

[Hunter]

Haye has done more than Khan. Haye was undisputed cw kingpin. At HW he is still a question mark but he is more proven than Khan.

[Scrap]

I remember Taking Adam Booth on the pads many years ago as a 17 year old. Thinking He,s a Bright lad, with a nice disposition, pleased for the pair of them.

[El Kabong]

Well Lyle remember the last man Wlad fought with GENUINE power and hand speed?? It was Corey Sanders (the same man who couldn't stop British CW Johnny Nelson) and what happened there?? Wlad got the shite knocked out of him. Now to me Wlad is the one begging to be exploited by Hayes strengths. And if you think Haye will fight either Klitschko in the manner of any of his other HW fights then your totally delusional. We all know boxing is a game of tactics and skill and at the moment Haye is quickly developing in both skill and ability to follow a tactical game.

That was a different Wlad of a different time....

That Wlad gave up height and reach, that Wlad leaned in and was vulnerable to various punches AND Sanders was a southpaw.

Today's Wladimir fights tall, he utilizes his reach, he doesn't allow fighting on the inside, he doesn't allow the other fighter to mix it up and is economical with his punches.

The reckless version of Wlad is looooong gone, now he's just a dominant heavyweight champion.

I forsee a fight that has Wlad's opponent waiting for an opening that never comes and eating punches until he can no longer continue

[rjj tszyu]

Well Lyle remember the last man Wlad fought with GENUINE power and hand speed?? It was Corey Sanders (the same man who couldn't stop British CW Johnny Nelson) and what happened there?? Wlad got the shite knocked out of him. Now to me Wlad is the one begging to be exploited by Hayes strengths. And if you think Haye will fight either Klitschko in the manner of any of his other HW fights then your totally delusional. We all know boxing is a game of tactics and skill and at the moment Haye is quickly developing in both skill and ability to follow a tactical game.

That was a different Wlad of a different time....

That Wlad gave up height and reach, that Wlad leaned in and was vulnerable to various punches AND Sanders was a southpaw.

Today's Wladimir fights tall, he utilizes his reach, he doesn't allow fighting on the inside, he doesn't allow the other fighter to mix it up and is economical with his punches.

The reckless version of Wlad is looooong gone, now he's just a dominant heavyweight champion.

I forsee a fight that has Wlad's opponent waiting for an opening that never comes and eating punches until he can no longer continue

Well to me it was the big shot Wlad took with about 1 min and 2 secs remaining in the 1st round that started the rot and in that shot he was just caught by the speed of Sanders and was upright at that point certainly not leaning in. Wlad has always been something of a cautious fighter. He has never been one to get in a brawl from what I have seen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YboPBVOHn9Q

[El Kabong]

Well to me it was the big shot Wlad took with about 1 min and 2 secs remaining in the 1st round that started the rot and in that shot he was just caught by the speed of Sanders and was upright at that point certainly not leaning in. Wlad has always been something of a cautious fighter. He has never been one to get in a brawl from what I have seen.

Once again, straight punch, southpaw, and Wlad did not utilize height, reach, or his jab in that fight. He's a completely different fighter now and if this version of Wlad fought that version of Sanders it would be a completely different fight, Wlad would dominate him.

[porkypara]

All through his pro carrer Haye has foguth the best avalible opponents.

Out of the 3 so called world heavyweight champions Haye tried to arange a fight with the hardest 2 but a fight could not be made for what ever reason.

So its only natural to go after the only other champ still out there who was Value in this case.

Haye had to fight Ruiz or be stripped of the belt,Work it out for your self.

The reality is Haye wants to fight the best out there even if it means fighting men who are 3 or 4 stone heavier.

Is he the best HW in the world right now,proberly not.But is he a manufactured champ.NO WAY!

[El Kabong]

The reality is Haye wants to fight the best out there even if it means fighting men who are 3 or 4 stone heavier.

....which is why he tucked tail and ran away from fights with Wlad and Vitali?

Surely you or someone else will bring up money being the issue....was it an issue? Yes but nothing that a renegotiation couldn't fix, certainly The Klitschko's would oblige him in seeing that he got paid for his work, they aren't heartless.