Disappointed in Hayes performance!

[El Kabong]

What will happen when Wlad lands a flush right cross or solid left hook?

[mattboxingfan]

What will happen when Wlad lands a flush right cross or solid left hook?

Haye will comeback with a KO right hand and a nice left hook for the way down!

[El Kabong]

Haye will comeback with a KO right hand and a nice left hook for the way down!

....you think he'll take it that well?

[rjj tszyu]

Haye will comeback with a KO right hand and a nice left hook for the way down!

....you think he'll take it that well?

Well it won't be that he'll just stand there and let Wlad hit his guard for the rest of the fight like Chambers did when he landed on him.

I really think you are underrating just how serious a threat Haye can be to the Klits. Haye is a lot faster and hits a damned site harder than "Slow feet reasonable hand speed" Eddie Chambers. Wlad knew he could walk through pretty much everything Chambers could hit him with as he has no power at the top level yet he still wasn't confident enough to take many risks in the fight. Now I can respect that his style takes some skill and discipline but Haye will cause him trouble he has not seen the likes of in a long time even if Wlad does pull off the win, which I am not too narrow minded to completely write off at all as Wlad is a world champion fighter and has good power and Hayes biggest weakness like Wlad has to be his chin.

[El Kabong]

The biggest weakness if this fighter was to challenege Wladimir is DISCIPLINE. Wladimir doesn't hand out any gifts or openings and he WILL control pace and range....any wide "hopeful" punches thrown by this challeneger will be blocked and met with harsh retaliation.

So it's been a while since Wlad has seen a quick dangerous puncher has it? How long has it been for your boy? He's NEVER seen anyone like Wlad and as Manny Steward said about Sam Peter those many years ago "When he fights Wladimir we're going to welcome him to BIG TIME BOXING"

[ninjaspy3]

To be fair, I think Hayes chances against the Klitschkos have got to be just as good or better than the other HWs out there right now. Think about it. All the big names are out. The rest are overweight or just dont have the motivation. Who else is there?

To the point of the thread, Haye did good for the tools he has got. Ruiz is simply a durable guy. And dont count the Tua KO because I believe Ruiz has improved defensively and in his ability to take a hard punch since way back then.

[ono]

What will happen when Wlad lands a flush right cross or solid left hook?

That question could quite easily be reversed. Don't get me wrong, i'd be surprised if Haye beat either brother, but he has enough skill, movement, speed and power to at least make it interesting.

It's probably equally as likely that Wlad would fold if Haye landed flush, especially early on. I admit if Wlad or Vitali land flush it's lights out, but Haye's movement has been good. He needs to stop reaching with his punches, but he's working on a style that can work on the Klits.

[El Kabong]

Fair enough response, but I think Wlad's defense is pretty underrated he's improved a lot. Meanwhile the other guy we're talking about has hands down and tries to be cute, Ruiz touched him a time or two, Barrett knocked him down...he doesn't have the best balance, he can throw wide at times, and his power at heavyweight is NOT 1 punch = lights out power....it's above average but it's not amazing.

Wlad has been caught a time or two but he hasn't been rocked in a long time, I think that's partially due to his improved confidence and better game plan, he has faith in what he does and perhaps that is a reason Chagaev didn't hurt him when he hit him and caught Wlad pretty good at the end of one round and Wlad didn't react in any negative fashion and Ruslan has decent power about average.

I just don't think anyone in the heavyweight division right now can get around Wlad's 1-2 and improved defense and hell most guys that fight him don't even try after a round or two.

[ryanman]

Fair enough response, but I think Wlad's defense is pretty underrated he's improved a lot. Meanwhile the other guy we're talking about has hands down and tries to be cute, Ruiz touched him a time or two, Barrett knocked him down...he doesn't have the best balance, he can throw wide at times, and his power at heavyweight is NOT 1 punch = lights out power....it's above average but it's not amazing.

Wlad has been caught a time or two but he hasn't been rocked in a long time, I think that's partially due to his improved confidence and better game plan, he has faith in what he does and perhaps that is a reason Chagaev didn't hurt him when he hit him and caught Wlad pretty good at the end of one round and Wlad didn't react in any negative fashion and Ruslan has decent power about average.

I just don't think anyone in the heavyweight division right now can get around Wlad's 1-2 and improved defense and hell most guys that fight him don't even try after a round or two.

Thats a pretty fair assessment Lyle. Its often said that Wlad vs Haye is a 'whoever lands first' fight and to some extent I agree with that. But the thing is I would say that 7 or 8 times out of 10 it would be Wlad that lands first. That still gives Haye a 2 or 3 out of 10 chance though which I think is what most people are saying. I think most people are just saying that you shouldn't dismiss Haye's chances completely.

[ono]

Fair enough response, but I think Wlad's defense is pretty underrated he's improved a lot. Meanwhile the other guy we're talking about has hands down and tries to be cute, Ruiz touched him a time or two, Barrett knocked him down...he doesn't have the best balance, he can throw wide at times, and his power at heavyweight is NOT 1 punch = lights out power....it's above average but it's not amazing.

Wlad has been caught a time or two but he hasn't been rocked in a long time, I think that's partially due to his improved confidence and better game plan, he has faith in what he does and perhaps that is a reason Chagaev didn't hurt him when he hit him and caught Wlad pretty good at the end of one round and Wlad didn't react in any negative fashion and Ruslan has decent power about average.

I just don't think anyone in the heavyweight division right now can get around Wlad's 1-2 and improved defense and hell most guys that fight him don't even try after a round or two.

He's been fighting guys who don't have the ambition or fitness to execute any form of a gameplan that resembles anything other than survial.

[El Kabong]

He's been fighting guys who don't have the ambition or fitness to execute any form of a gameplan that resembles anything other than survial.

...and yet guys that are better than anything your boy has stepped in the ring with.

Wlad makes people play on his terms and nobody has the vision or the skill to take that away from him.

[ono]

He's been fighting guys who don't have the ambition or fitness to execute any form of a gameplan that resembles anything other than survial.

...and yet guys that are better than anything your boy has stepped in the ring with.

Wlad makes people play on his terms and nobody has the vision or the skill to take that away from him.

He's not my boy.

Dress it up however you like, he hasn't faced an inshape and dangerous fighter for a long time.

[El Kabong]

[quote=ono;857536]

He's not my boy.

Dress it up however you like, he hasn't faced an inshape and dangerous fighter for a long time.

OK, whatever

What's the deal with all these qualifiers? In shape AND dangerous....well it's also been a while since Wlad fought a white Jamaican too . Recently Wlad fights the guys that are his mandatories because SOMEONE wouldn't take a fight with him. Ruslan Chagaev was an unknown quantity due to his injury and only a 20 some fight record but I would venture to say he was "in shape" and in being unknown I would say he was kind of dangerous. Eddie Chambers at 209 was "in shape" sure he carries extra weight in order to actually be a heavyweight but he's in shape. Tony Thompson was in shape albeit he wasn't dangerous with power but he is most assuredly dangerous in terms of style. Sultan Ibragimov was in shape and dangerous although he certainly didn't fight like it. Sultan has fast hands and his career shouldn't be judged solely on how he fought Wlad or Ray Austin.

Does Povetkin qualify as "in shape" or "dangerous" He's next on the hit list......when has the WBA title holder fought an "in shape" and "dangerous" heavyweight......I would venture to guess NEVER

[AdamGB]

What will happen when Wlad lands a flush right cross or solid left hook?

The likelihood is that Haye goes down or out... the problem is that Wlad has to get to that point first... it's a forgone conclusion that if he hits any heavyweight with a fully loaded right on the chin then they're going down.

Not the issue though.

You could ask the same question with the rolls reversed - what will happen 'when' Haye lands a flush right cross?