David Haye another Amir Con? Manufactured "champ?"

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David Haye in my opinion is another Amir Khan or should I say Con?

Just like Con boy he picks up an alphabet strap by fighting the worst champion in the division in Con boy's case it was Kotelnik, in Haye's case Valuev. Valuev retained his belt via controversial decision against Holyfield and Kotelnik via controversial decision against Maidana. Just like Con boy he is also the holder of the WBA belt. Arguably the worst major organization out there with super champions and interim champions. And he also defended his strap against a weak mandatory, in Con boy's case Salita and Haye's case Ruiz (now all of a sudden people are acting like Ruiz was elite.)

Haye and Con boy also ducked the real champ of the division and the elite contenders. Con boy ducks Maidana, an somewhat elite contender with dangerous power, and Tim Bradley considered by many to be the man of the 140 pounders. Haye ducks an elite contender in Vitali (with the WBC strap) and punked out against the champ/man of the HW division, Wladimir.

Haye just like con boy gets hyped up, so called savior of the HW division and will supposedly beat the Klit Bros easily.

Both Con boy and Haye are what boxing fans like me would like to called manufactured "champs." And please stop calling Haye the HW champ, he's not, that's like calling Con boy 140 pound champ, he's not. Last I checked Wladimir is still the man at HW and Bradley is the man at 140. Having a trinket don't mean shit in today's boxing.

What I just typed out is the truth. Ain't no exaggerating anything.

What a shit thread.

He had stellar early opposition and by his 15th fight he had ko'd the European Champion inside 1 minute. He also has a solid win over Fragomeni before going to Paris to ko Mormeck. He then destroyed Enzo Mac's career before his 3 wins at Heavyweight.

Whilst he isn't the 'man' at Heavyweight, he's certainly no more manufactured than 95% of the fighters out there.

Even the Khan dig is pathetic. He's a young fighter, constantly improving and constantly upping his level of opposition. Again, he isn't the man at 140, but then again nobody is. Why would he take the Maidana fight when he can make much more money fighting stylistically easier fights? If Maidana is as good as you think he is, surely he'll still be around when Khan's gains more exposure. In that case, the fight will make much more money. Khan's not an idiot, he isn't going to blow his load for little reward right now, when he can chalk up the dough, increase his popularity and take the fight when the guys outside of a Boxing forum know who Maidana is...if that time ever comes.

You're living in a dream world if you think any young champion will risk his career to take on a high risk, low reward fight, especially when he's already been ko'd in a similar scenario.

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David Haye in my opinion is another Amir Khan or should I say Con?

Just like Con boy he picks up an alphabet strap by fighting the worst champion in the division in Con boy's case it was Kotelnik, in Haye's case Valuev. Valuev retained his belt via controversial decision against Holyfield and Kotelnik via controversial decision against Maidana. Just like Con boy he is also the holder of the WBA belt. Arguably the worst major organization out there with super champions and interim champions. And he also defended his strap against a weak mandatory, in Con boy's case Salita and Haye's case Ruiz (now all of a sudden people are acting like Ruiz was elite.)

Haye and Con boy also ducked the real champ of the division and the elite contenders. Con boy ducks Maidana, an somewhat elite contender with dangerous power, and Tim Bradley considered by many to be the man of the 140 pounders. Haye ducks an elite contender in Vitali (with the WBC strap) and punked out against the champ/man of the HW division, Wladimir.

Haye just like con boy gets hyped up, so called savior of the HW division and will supposedly beat the Klit Bros easily.

Both Con boy and Haye are what boxing fans like me would like to called manufactured "champs." And please stop calling Haye the HW champ, he's not, that's like calling Con boy 140 pound champ, he's not. Last I checked Wladimir is still the man at HW and Bradley is the man at 140. Having a trinket don't mean shit in today's boxing.

What I just typed out is the truth. Ain't no exaggerating anything.

What a shit thread.

He had stellar early opposition and by his 15th fight he had ko'd the European Champion inside 1 minute. He also has a solid win over Fragomeni before going to Paris to ko Mormeck. He then destroyed Enzo Mac's career before his 3 wins at Heavyweight.

Whilst he isn't the 'man' at Heavyweight, he's certainly no more manufactured than 95% of the fighters out there.

Even the Khan dig is pathetic. He's a young fighter, constantly improving and constantly upping his level of opposition. Again, he isn't the man at 140, but then again nobody is. Why would he take the Maidana fight when he can make much more money fighting stylistically easier fights? If Maidana is as good as you think he is, surely he'll still be around when Khan's gains more exposure. In that case, the fight will make much more money. Khan's not an idiot, he isn't going to blow his load for little reward right now, when he can chalk up the dough, increase his popularity and take the fight when the guys outside of a Boxing forum know who Maidana is...if that time ever comes.

You're living in a dream world if you think any young champion will risk his career to take on a high risk, low reward fight, especially when he's already been ko'd in a similar scenario.

Then that to me right there says he's nothing more than a manufactured champ. we've been through this before and your excuse is "he's only 23!" That's right go call out a shot Erik Morales to fight or maybe he can fight a 1 eye past his prime Barerra again. He wanted to fight Marquez because he saw a diminishing fighter, probably thought he was shot and wanted him.

And about Haye, Heavyweight people. I don't care and most of the boxing world doesn't care about his crusierweight record. Back in the day no one gave a damn about Holyfield's crusierweight record, they only care what he will do at HW.

I mean doesn't Haye's fans always compare Haye to Holyfield most of the time based on the cruiserweight connection? Same standard should be applied here, if it did to people judging Holyfield.

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David Haye in my opinion is another Amir Khan or should I say Con?

Just like Con boy he picks up an alphabet strap by fighting the worst champion in the division in Con boy's case it was Kotelnik, in Haye's case Valuev. Valuev retained his belt via controversial decision against Holyfield and Kotelnik via controversial decision against Maidana. Just like Con boy he is also the holder of the WBA belt. Arguably the worst major organization out there with super champions and interim champions. And he also defended his strap against a weak mandatory, in Con boy's case Salita and Haye's case Ruiz (now all of a sudden people are acting like Ruiz was elite.)

Haye and Con boy also ducked the real champ of the division and the elite contenders. Con boy ducks Maidana, an somewhat elite contender with dangerous power, and Tim Bradley considered by many to be the man of the 140 pounders. Haye ducks an elite contender in Vitali (with the WBC strap) and punked out against the champ/man of the HW division, Wladimir.

Haye just like con boy gets hyped up, so called savior of the HW division and will supposedly beat the Klit Bros easily.

Both Con boy and Haye are what boxing fans like me would like to called manufactured "champs." And please stop calling Haye the HW champ, he's not, that's like calling Con boy 140 pound champ, he's not. Last I checked Wladimir is still the man at HW and Bradley is the man at 140. Having a trinket don't mean shit in today's boxing.

What I just typed out is the truth. Ain't no exaggerating anything.

What a shit thread.

He had stellar early opposition and by his 15th fight he had ko'd the European Champion inside 1 minute. He also has a solid win over Fragomeni before going to Paris to ko Mormeck. He then destroyed Enzo Mac's career before his 3 wins at Heavyweight.

Whilst he isn't the 'man' at Heavyweight, he's certainly no more manufactured than 95% of the fighters out there.

Even the Khan dig is pathetic. He's a young fighter, constantly improving and constantly upping his level of opposition. Again, he isn't the man at 140, but then again nobody is. Why would he take the Maidana fight when he can make much more money fighting stylistically easier fights? If Maidana is as good as you think he is, surely he'll still be around when Khan's gains more exposure. In that case, the fight will make much more money. Khan's not an idiot, he isn't going to blow his load for little reward right now, when he can chalk up the dough, increase his popularity and take the fight when the guys outside of a Boxing forum know who Maidana is...if that time ever comes.

You're living in a dream world if you think any young champion will risk his career to take on a high risk, low reward fight, especially when he's already been ko'd in a similar scenario.

Then that to me right there says he's nothing more than a manufactured champ. we've been through this before and your excuse is "he's only 23!" That's right go call out a shot Erik Morales to fight or maybe he can fight a 1 eye past his prime Barerra again. He wanted to fight Marquez because he saw a diminishing fighter, probably thought he was shot and wanted him.

And about Haye, Heavyweight people. I don't care and most of the boxing world doesn't care about his crusierweight record. Back in the day no one gave a damn about Holyfield's crusierweight record, they only care what he will do at HW.

I mean doesn't Haye's fans always compare Haye to Holyfield most of the time based on the cruiserweight connection? Same standard should be applied here, if it did to people judging Holyfield.

But his age has to have relevence. You can't take it out of the equation no matter how much you want to. As it stands, a resume of a past his prime Barrera, Kotelnik, Salita and Malignaggi is just as good as any other supposedly top level fighter of a similar age.

For the record it was Roach who wanted the Morales fight and it's purely down to the fact that he's only been with Khan for a short while. He still has difficiences to iron out. Even if you disagree with it, he didn't take the fight anyway so it's hardly something you should hold against him. Can't quite believe the whinge about him fighting Marquez. An opponent considered good enough for Floyd Mayweather just a few months ago. An opponent who knocked out two of the best fighters at 135. Baffling.

Like i said, the vast majority of 'world' champions have been carefully managed until they reach world level. That's a promoters job.

Don't quite understand why you'd expect people to ignore his record at Crusier. Don't see many Haye fans at all comparing him to Holyfield. Holyfield's Heavyweight record gained more importance because the pool of talent was greater at Heavyweight. Wlad and Vitali aside, the Heavies are quite embarrassing, so not sure where you're going with that one.