David Haye another Amir Con? Manufactured "champ?"

[El Kabong]

Well Lyle remember the last man Wlad fought with GENUINE power and hand speed?? It was Corey Sanders (the same man who couldn't stop British CW Johnny Nelson) and what happened there?? Wlad got the shite knocked out of him. Now to me Wlad is the one begging to be exploited by Hayes strengths. And if you think Haye will fight either Klitschko in the manner of any of his other HW fights then your totally delusional. We all know boxing is a game of tactics and skill and at the moment Haye is quickly developing in both skill and ability to follow a tactical game.

That was a different Wlad of a different time....

That Wlad gave up height and reach, that Wlad leaned in and was vulnerable to various punches AND Sanders was a southpaw.

Today's Wladimir fights tall, he utilizes his reach, he doesn't allow fighting on the inside, he doesn't allow the other fighter to mix it up and is economical with his punches.

The reckless version of Wlad is looooong gone, now he's just a dominant heavyweight champion.

I forsee a fight that has Wlad's opponent waiting for an opening that never comes and eating punches until he can no longer continue

[rjj tszyu]

Well Lyle remember the last man Wlad fought with GENUINE power and hand speed?? It was Corey Sanders (the same man who couldn't stop British CW Johnny Nelson) and what happened there?? Wlad got the shite knocked out of him. Now to me Wlad is the one begging to be exploited by Hayes strengths. And if you think Haye will fight either Klitschko in the manner of any of his other HW fights then your totally delusional. We all know boxing is a game of tactics and skill and at the moment Haye is quickly developing in both skill and ability to follow a tactical game.

That was a different Wlad of a different time....

That Wlad gave up height and reach, that Wlad leaned in and was vulnerable to various punches AND Sanders was a southpaw.

Today's Wladimir fights tall, he utilizes his reach, he doesn't allow fighting on the inside, he doesn't allow the other fighter to mix it up and is economical with his punches.

The reckless version of Wlad is looooong gone, now he's just a dominant heavyweight champion.

I forsee a fight that has Wlad's opponent waiting for an opening that never comes and eating punches until he can no longer continue

Well to me it was the big shot Wlad took with about 1 min and 2 secs remaining in the 1st round that started the rot and in that shot he was just caught by the speed of Sanders and was upright at that point certainly not leaning in. Wlad has always been something of a cautious fighter. He has never been one to get in a brawl from what I have seen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YboPBVOHn9Q

[El Kabong]

Well to me it was the big shot Wlad took with about 1 min and 2 secs remaining in the 1st round that started the rot and in that shot he was just caught by the speed of Sanders and was upright at that point certainly not leaning in. Wlad has always been something of a cautious fighter. He has never been one to get in a brawl from what I have seen.

Once again, straight punch, southpaw, and Wlad did not utilize height, reach, or his jab in that fight. He's a completely different fighter now and if this version of Wlad fought that version of Sanders it would be a completely different fight, Wlad would dominate him.

[porkypara]

All through his pro carrer Haye has foguth the best avalible opponents.

Out of the 3 so called world heavyweight champions Haye tried to arange a fight with the hardest 2 but a fight could not be made for what ever reason.

So its only natural to go after the only other champ still out there who was Value in this case.

Haye had to fight Ruiz or be stripped of the belt,Work it out for your self.

The reality is Haye wants to fight the best out there even if it means fighting men who are 3 or 4 stone heavier.

Is he the best HW in the world right now,proberly not.But is he a manufactured champ.NO WAY!

[El Kabong]

The reality is Haye wants to fight the best out there even if it means fighting men who are 3 or 4 stone heavier.

....which is why he tucked tail and ran away from fights with Wlad and Vitali?

Surely you or someone else will bring up money being the issue....was it an issue? Yes but nothing that a renegotiation couldn't fix, certainly The Klitschko's would oblige him in seeing that he got paid for his work, they aren't heartless.

[ono]

The reality is Haye wants to fight the best out there even if it means fighting men who are 3 or 4 stone heavier.

....which is why he tucked tail and ran away from fights with Wlad and Vitali?

Surely you or someone else will bring up money being the issue....was it an issue? Yes but nothing that a renegotiation couldn't fix, certainly The Klitschko's would oblige him in seeing that he got paid for his work, they aren't heartless.

He couldn't re-negotiate with Setanta to not go bankrput.

[El Kabong]

He couldn't re-negotiate with Setanta to not go bankrput.

...I wasn't talking about renegotiating with them (I was thinking renegotiate with the Klitschko's) BUT that company being bankrupt they could have opted to sell off certain sports event to another network could they not?


But you saw the dude for what he was a chickenshit only interested in money and not interested in being the best. Which is why there were lies and slander used to cover up him running away instead of just coming out and saying "The network is broke and can't pay me"

[porkypara]

The reality is Haye wants to fight the best out there even if it means fighting men who are 3 or 4 stone heavier.

....which is why he tucked tail and ran away from fights with Wlad and Vitali?

Surely you or someone else will bring up money being the issue....was it an issue? Yes but nothing that a renegotiation couldn't fix, certainly The Klitschko's would oblige him in seeing that he got paid for his work, they aren't heartless.

As I understand it the Klitschko's were driving a hard some would say unfair bargain as far as negotiations for a fight with Haye.

Haye and his team simply outflanked the brothers grim by making an easier deal with Valuev's people.

Haye wanted the Klit boys but settled for Valuev.

I am not saying that Haye will beat them but please dont try and say he is scared of them because the evidence says other wise.

[paddy448]

The haye klit fights will happen eventually. They have too. No one is ducking no one. Haye just went the smart way about everything. And in a sport where where u can be killed legally, I see nothing wrong with that.it's made the potential clash even bigger anyway