David Haye another Amir Con? Manufactured "champ?"

[porkypara]

All through his pro carrer Haye has foguth the best avalible opponents.

Out of the 3 so called world heavyweight champions Haye tried to arange a fight with the hardest 2 but a fight could not be made for what ever reason.

So its only natural to go after the only other champ still out there who was Value in this case.

Haye had to fight Ruiz or be stripped of the belt,Work it out for your self.

The reality is Haye wants to fight the best out there even if it means fighting men who are 3 or 4 stone heavier.

Is he the best HW in the world right now,proberly not.But is he a manufactured champ.NO WAY!

[El Kabong]

The reality is Haye wants to fight the best out there even if it means fighting men who are 3 or 4 stone heavier.

....which is why he tucked tail and ran away from fights with Wlad and Vitali?

Surely you or someone else will bring up money being the issue....was it an issue? Yes but nothing that a renegotiation couldn't fix, certainly The Klitschko's would oblige him in seeing that he got paid for his work, they aren't heartless.

[ono]

The reality is Haye wants to fight the best out there even if it means fighting men who are 3 or 4 stone heavier.

....which is why he tucked tail and ran away from fights with Wlad and Vitali?

Surely you or someone else will bring up money being the issue....was it an issue? Yes but nothing that a renegotiation couldn't fix, certainly The Klitschko's would oblige him in seeing that he got paid for his work, they aren't heartless.

He couldn't re-negotiate with Setanta to not go bankrput.

[El Kabong]

He couldn't re-negotiate with Setanta to not go bankrput.

...I wasn't talking about renegotiating with them (I was thinking renegotiate with the Klitschko's) BUT that company being bankrupt they could have opted to sell off certain sports event to another network could they not?


But you saw the dude for what he was a chickenshit only interested in money and not interested in being the best. Which is why there were lies and slander used to cover up him running away instead of just coming out and saying "The network is broke and can't pay me"

[ninjaspy3]

He couldn't re-negotiate with Setanta to not go bankrput.

...I wasn't talking about renegotiating with them (I was thinking renegotiate with the Klitschko's) BUT that company being bankrupt they could have opted to sell off certain sports event to another network could they not?


But you saw the dude for what he was a chickenshit only interested in money and not interested in being the best. Which is why there were lies and slander used to cover up him running away instead of just coming out and saying "The network is broke and can't pay me"

I am eager to see what the nay sayers will have to say about Haye being chicken when he does take the fight with a Klitschko. This "chicken" argument has an expiration date, so perhaps people may want to consider what their next "Haye Hating Talking Points" will be. Ideas?

And although the chances are slim, if Haye ends up winning such a fight, it is going to be hilarious on this forum.

[El Kabong]

I am eager to see what the nay sayers will have to say about Haye being chicken when he does take the fight with a Klitschko. This "chicken" argument has an expiration date, so perhaps people may want to consider what their next "Haye Hating Talking Points" will be. Ideas?

And although the chances are slim, if Haye ends up winning such a fight, it is going to be hilarious on this forum.

The way the guy went about ducking Wlad and Vitali while simultaneously touting how great he was and how he was going to cut their heads off is the absolute WEAKEST dick tuck moment in the HISTORY of boxing!

Name me a fighter that ducked someone worse than this guy? Riddick Bowe dropping the WBC belt in the trash can for Lennox Lewis? That's the only one that comes to my mind...I mean what this WBA title holder has done makes him a yellow bellied dirty rat of a fucking coward.

1 fight was nixed due to Setenta going broke, what happened with the other fight The one where he decided to fight Valuev instead of Vitali?

How can you defend this guy?

[ninjaspy3]

I am eager to see what the nay sayers will have to say about Haye being chicken when he does take the fight with a Klitschko. This "chicken" argument has an expiration date, so perhaps people may want to consider what their next "Haye Hating Talking Points" will be. Ideas?

And although the chances are slim, if Haye ends up winning such a fight, it is going to be hilarious on this forum.

The way the guy went about ducking Wlad and Vitali while simultaneously touting how great he was and how he was going to cut their heads off is the absolute WEAKEST dick tuck moment in the HISTORY of boxing!

Name me a fighter that ducked someone worse than this guy? Riddick Bowe dropping the WBC belt in the trash can for Lennox Lewis? That's the only one that comes to my mind...I mean what this WBA title holder has done makes him a yellow bellied dirty rat of a fucking coward.

1 fight was nixed due to Setenta going broke, what happened with the other fight The one where he decided to fight Valuev instead of Vitali?

How can you defend this guy?

um... is it still ducking if he fights them later?
I believe its only ducking if he never fights them.

[Master]

The reality is, whether it was luck or not, it makes more business sense for Haye to take the WBA route, it gives him time to build up experience in the division and generate interest in the decision. The Klits are getting older and the chances are getting better for a Haye victory. I still think Haye should take a couple more fights and maybe fight the Klits next year, for his sake as I truthfully cannot see him beating either of them.

[ono]

He couldn't re-negotiate with Setanta to not go bankrput.

...I wasn't talking about renegotiating with them (I was thinking renegotiate with the Klitschko's) BUT that company being bankrupt they could have opted to sell off certain sports event to another network could they not?


But you saw the dude for what he was a chickenshit only interested in money and not interested in being the best. Which is why there were lies and slander used to cover up him running away instead of just coming out and saying "The network is broke and can't pay me"

David Haye has no say in what Setanta do. None whatsoever. They tried to keep affloat but they owed too much money to the Premier League for football rights.

Considering that would have been Haye's ONLY source of income it's a bit strange for you to label him a 'chicken shit'.

Why the fuck would he fight for free?

[El Kabong]

...then how did the Valuev fight come off The Setenta saga was well over by then and Vitali wanted to take on this chump and he chose Valuev instead....after talking all that shit and Vitali gives him a chance to man up and make it right and what did he do? He took the easy road.

I for one figured the guy needed to get a title and some experience before he fought the Klitschko's but you can't run off at the mouth like that and then tuck tail when you get a shot. That's what pissed me off so bad, he talked shit knowing full well he wasn't going to take the fight.

[ono]

...then how did the Valuev fight come off The Setenta saga was well over by then and Vitali wanted to take on this chump and he chose Valuev instead....after talking all that shit and Vitali gives him a chance to man up and make it right and what did he do? He took the easy road.

I for one figured the guy needed to get a title and some experience before he fought the Klitschko's but you can't run off at the mouth like that and then tuck tail when you get a shot. That's what pissed me off so bad, he talked shit knowing full well he wasn't going to take the fight.

Well basically the only options he could get from either Klitschko was a fight, in Germany, where Haye only takes home the UK TV money (Setanta), and where there was an immediate re-match clause + a fight against the other Klit.

That's why he went after the Heavyweight title. Especially when Setanta went bust. Not sure how that equates to him taking the easy road. He wants to fight a Klit but he also wants decent terms and decent money for it. The Klits seem to want everything on there terms because Haye apparently has no bargaining power. Now he has a title, and he has massive popularity (in the UK), he brings much more to the table.

[porkypara]

The reality is Haye wants to fight the best out there even if it means fighting men who are 3 or 4 stone heavier.

....which is why he tucked tail and ran away from fights with Wlad and Vitali?

Surely you or someone else will bring up money being the issue....was it an issue? Yes but nothing that a renegotiation couldn't fix, certainly The Klitschko's would oblige him in seeing that he got paid for his work, they aren't heartless.

As I understand it the Klitschko's were driving a hard some would say unfair bargain as far as negotiations for a fight with Haye.

Haye and his team simply outflanked the brothers grim by making an easier deal with Valuev's people.

Haye wanted the Klit boys but settled for Valuev.

I am not saying that Haye will beat them but please dont try and say he is scared of them because the evidence says other wise.

[paddy448]

The haye klit fights will happen eventually. They have too. No one is ducking no one. Haye just went the smart way about everything. And in a sport where where u can be killed legally, I see nothing wrong with that.it's made the potential clash even bigger anyway